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The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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Anyone who has dug through record bins in charity shops would have seen endless numbers of weird cover records of popular songs. Like "The xxx orchestra performs Burt Bacharach" with Burt Bacharach in huge writing and the actual orchestra listed low on the cover. Sometimes with a fetching picture of some young lady on them, sometimes not. Sometimes it's just instrumentals, occasionally an un-named vocalist on there.

This is not a new phenomenon, it goes back at least 60 years.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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> ...someone else actually makes it. ...which sort of applies to a lot of Hot 100 artists as well. A good songwriter writes it, a talented producer makes it sound good, and a well-known personality sings it (with varying accuracy) and has their name put on it as the "artist". It's a spectrum. At one end you've got The Velvet Underground playing around a single mic hooked directly to a reel-to-reel, and at the other e…

I remember listening — really listening — to a Debbie Gibson song, in the early nineties. She was never an artist I cared about. I just assumed she was a “teenybopper queen.” The song clearly had one -maybe two- musicians in the background, playing a sampler, while she sang. Maybe she played the sampler. I realized it probably cost almost nothing to record that song. She didn’t have a regular band, and probably threw…

A lot of music these days is produced by one or two people with a computer sitting in a room by themselves. I sometimes listen to the Music Introducing programs on BBC Radio, especially BBC Music Introducing in London [1]. The music is submitted to the BBC by the musicians themselves—hundreds of tracks a week, apparently—and the DJs choose the songs to air on the program. Many of the songs, which are in a variety of genres, are created in the artists’ homes—hence the genre “bedroom pop” [2], which has been around for a while but seems to have taken off since COVID.

I’m an older guy with musical tastes formed in the 1970s, but I find a lot of this new independent music stimulating, enjoyable, and very competently made. When there’s a song I particularly like, I’ve sometimes looked up the artist online, and often he or she has had only a few hundred plays on YouTube and a few dozen followers on Instagram. It must be really tough for young musicians trying to make a career out of music now.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p025tszp

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo-fi_music

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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That's a huge number of artists. Take Britney Spears' Grammy winning Toxic for example. The song was written and produced by Bloodshy & Avant, with additional writing from Cathy Dennis and Henrik Jonback[1]. …Baby One More Time, another example of hers contains zero songs written by Spears. Is that the same kind of deception that an unknown artist makes when publishing an original song that makes it way onto a jazz p…

I don't know how true this is but it's been widely reported that the lyric "hit me baby one more time" was due to the song's writer (who is Swedish) believing "hit" was American slang for "call." It's plausible due to the idiom "hit me up" meaning "call me."

Why couldn't anyone on Spears' team come in and smooth out that idiosyncrasy? If someone writes gibberish for lyrics, do singers just go ahead and sing gibberish?

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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" it just means your important jazz doesn't have the value you ascribe to it" that's one hell of a stretch. Failure by a broader audience to understand a genre (or only want to casually consume one part of it passively) doesn't invalidate it's canon. By that measure Kenny G should have usurped John Coltrane as the saxophonist of note, and by any standard except coffee shop and elevator back ground noise he's done no…

John Coltrane is only good on paper and there’s a cult of personality which exists around his work. I can’t really say that I think much of his improvisations and in general, what people believe is “incredible” could be cranked out by an algorithm. Miles Davis is the real deal of jazz for me. Never cared about notes, fame, or much other than being free . That’s jazz.

"John Coltrane is only good on paper"

Which is still a warmer sense than the room temp take you just attempted.

Your entire comment was either trolling, or some seriously petulant, and gap-laden understanding of both Miles AND Trane. Not saying you have to like Trane, but damn if your comment was just musically and historically ignorant as all be damned.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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What makes the artists fake is that they are publishing only a couple songs for the specific purpose of providing the streaming platform with royalty free music, and then they disappear. The example pictures in the article show artists that have published 6 minutes and 8 minutes of music. There's also a statistic that 20 people created 500 artists. These artists are shells, facades, illusory, fake. Go looking for the…

> What makes the artists fake is that they are publishing only a couple songs for the specific purpose of providing the streaming platform with royalty free music The article has 3 examples. Two have easily identified 3rd-party labels, the last is unclear. Neither is a traditional label, but there is also no indication they are owned by Spotify. > People buy it expecting a curated playlist of music they want to hear,…

> but I'll file that gripe along with my anger that "New Metal Tracks" features lots of metalcore.

Metalcore is the top 100 music of metal, I doubt it’s going to change anytime soon. I’d guess what ever is not metalcore, is probably cheesy power metal like Sabaton or Gloryhammer.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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What makes them "fake"? I kept waiting for the author to explain how people are taking others' music and re-packaging it as their own to collect royalties, but it doesn't sound like that's what's happening. SEO-optimized music is not "fake music". It's an interesting phenomenon, and maybe even a bad one, but framing it this way is disingenuous and alarmist.

The fraud is the streaming companies like Spotify, Amazon pushing music revenue towards non-existent artists by playing only this fake artists music and thereby pocketing the streaming revenue themselves.

It's basically a case of anti-competitive platform hijacked by the platform owner.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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What makes them "fake"? I kept waiting for the author to explain how people are taking others' music and re-packaging it as their own to collect royalties, but it doesn't sound like that's what's happening. SEO-optimized music is not "fake music". It's an interesting phenomenon, and maybe even a bad one, but framing it this way is disingenuous and alarmist.

Sounds like they're " fake " in that they're apparently fictional characters who aren't explicitly presented as such. They're just branding-icons, like the mascots who make a brand-name cereal. And then like with cereal, someone else actually makes it. I guess that this might be concerning for folks who feel like they form spiritual-connections to artists, if they then learn that there wasn't really a singular artist…

This describes most of the music industry.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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What makes them "fake"? I kept waiting for the author to explain how people are taking others' music and re-packaging it as their own to collect royalties, but it doesn't sound like that's what's happening. SEO-optimized music is not "fake music". It's an interesting phenomenon, and maybe even a bad one, but framing it this way is disingenuous and alarmist.

What makes the artists fake is that they are publishing only a couple songs for the specific purpose of providing the streaming platform with royalty free music, and then they disappear. The example pictures in the article show artists that have published 6 minutes and 8 minutes of music. There's also a statistic that 20 people created 500 artists. These artists are shells, facades, illusory, fake. Go looking for the…

> People buy it expecting a curated playlist of music they want to hear, and instead what they get is a curated playlist of music that sounds similar to what they want to hear.

Streaming services betray their users expectations in many ways. For instance, Spotify has playlists that are called "This is [artist]" for many artists, and you could reasonably believe they were human made, or at least partially human made (unless Spotify served you up one for a very obscure artist, but they rarely do).

But they aren't even looked at by a human. If you have several artists with the same name, it all gets mixed up in the "This is X" playlist. "This is Glenn Jones" contains music both by the guitarist Glenn Jones, the soul singer Glenn Jones, and the Australian country singer Glenn Jones.

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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Sounds like they're " fake " in that they're apparently fictional characters who aren't explicitly presented as such. They're just branding-icons, like the mascots who make a brand-name cereal. And then like with cereal, someone else actually makes it. I guess that this might be concerning for folks who feel like they form spiritual-connections to artists, if they then learn that there wasn't really a singular artist…

>They're just branding-icons Honestly that seems like a lot of music since the 2000s. Grab a pretty face with a good body and an autotune.

Milli Vanilli, Boney M. just to name two. This isn't a modern phenomenon.

It might not have been so easy to pull it off. Or maybe it was. It was the time before people played or sang live on TV. So there was less risk then in the years were live performance in a TV studio became somewhat of the norm.

And for generated music to be profitable it probably "just" needs to have a lot of songs one would not skip when they are part of some automatic play lists or "radio stations" playing stuff similar to x or y.

This way while any one song would only have few streams the overall oeuvre of the creator could be quite profitable. The same as with any auto-generated product targeting the long tail in Amazon (think T-shirts with quotes).

Re: The fake artists problem on streaming platforms

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My wife is a (professional) musician. She has achieved some organic popularity and her music has been in TV/movies, but having some songs featured on curated Spotify playlists has been one of the most profitable things for her career. Musicians rightfully complain that spotify pays fractions of a penny per play, but if your music ends up on a front-page playlist for months/years you can at least make many thousands of dollars.
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