These solutions don't answer any of the fundamental problems with Google: - who pays for the service (ads? users pay? Average user will never use a paid service if a free one is available) - how to resist attacks against the algorithm (Google has been fighting spam for decades) - how to personalize without invading privacy, e.g. Google had an option to search through your email in Google search...it's gone now, I won…
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#122Google can be the next Google if they just stopped being evil for a second: 1. Let me ban domains like pinterest, quora, stackoverflow clones, stock image sites, etc without requiring a chrome extension. 2. Do what I ask it to do. Don't be too smart. Bring back the plus sign, minus sign, double quotes, tilde which have been deprecated over these years and stop polluting the results with what it thinks I want. 3. A ne…
4. How about an image search that... actually returns the URL of the raw image? Here's a dead simple use case that is just unnecessarily frustrating. As a user, I want a high res picture of a buffalo. So: a. I do an image search for "buffalo" and the results page contains thumbnails of buffalos. b. I click the first result, it's tagged with "nationalgeographic.com" so it's probably gonna be good. Instead of the image…
(1) https://9to5google.com/2018/02/09/google-images-features-get...
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#123I think 'more customization' which is a theme with a lot of these alternatives is a fundamental dead end. I don't know where this persistent myth comes from that people love choice and tinkering, because they clearly don't. There's a huge cost associated with having to make choices, and one feature of successful modern apps is that they're frictionless. That's why TikTok is so successful. There's no login, no user ch…
It is a box that gives you a screenfull of ads, some spam copycat sites I wish I could remove, and a lot of clutter. As many people on here have said before, it only gets away with it because it owns the web browser through Chrome, Android and its Apple deal for Safari.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
4. How about an image search that... actually returns the URL of the raw image? Here's a dead simple use case that is just unnecessarily frustrating. As a user, I want a high res picture of a buffalo. So: a. I do an image search for "buffalo" and the results page contains thumbnails of buffalos. b. I click the first result, it's tagged with "nationalgeographic.com" so it's probably gonna be good. Instead of the image…
Alas, Getty sued that experience into oblivion https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe they can include these features in a premium service, and call it... Google+?
I know your comment is tongue-in-cheek but I happily pay for Youtube premium and it's truly an amazing experience compared to the ad-ridden non-usable free Youtube. If Google created a similar Google premium where it had such features and no pesky ads I'd pay for it in a heartbeat.
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#127I think 'more customization' which is a theme with a lot of these alternatives is a fundamental dead end. I don't know where this persistent myth comes from that people love choice and tinkering, because they clearly don't. There's a huge cost associated with having to make choices, and one feature of successful modern apps is that they're frictionless. That's why TikTok is so successful. There's no login, no user ch…
Google is anything but a simple box that gives you answers now. It hasn't been that for a very long time. I wish it was. It is a box that gives you a screenfull of ads, some spam copycat sites I wish I could remove, and a lot of clutter. As many people on here have said before, it only gets away with it because it owns the web browser through Chrome, Android and its Apple deal for Safari.
From someone who tried the switch to duckduckgo and uses ddg as the default engine: I can't remember the last query I typed without adding "!g". Google doesn't get my queries because the service is shoved down my throat, it gets them because the alternatives I tried are worse wrt the total scope of my queries.
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#128It's hard to do (1) well given Google's data moat and how good that makes them at head queries. It's rare that people stick with one of these alternatives because they struggle to be as good in the majority of simple queries.
We built a few such search engines before choosing a different route — we made something that augments Google (or Amazon, or whatever other search engine you use) and improves it in areas that it's weak in.
I posted our thoughts on this a few weeks ago on HN that generated some discussion as well — http://abhinavsharma.com/blog/google-alternatives https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30725933
The apps we built are a mobile browser extension for iOS and a desktop browser extension
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hyperweb/id1581824571 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hypersearch/feojag...
It's one approach, but we're trying to be more non zero-sum about it, and consider that the search engine doesn't have to be replaced 1:1 with a better search engine.
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#129I think 'more customization' which is a theme with a lot of these alternatives is a fundamental dead end. I don't know where this persistent myth comes from that people love choice and tinkering, because they clearly don't. There's a huge cost associated with having to make choices, and one feature of successful modern apps is that they're frictionless. That's why TikTok is so successful. There's no login, no user ch…
Speaking of doing less, I would love to see the web be more hierarchical or semantic (but not necessarily "the semantic web" as it's currently conceived). Google itself is what made the world reorganize itself. A world where that kind of search exists will reorganize itself around search, maybe not always for the better.
Concrete example of going from a hierarchical/semantic world to a search-based one: Instead of finding your socks in the sock area, which is inside your clothes area, which is inside your "do private things" area, let's say now every sock has a trackable chip in it similar to an AirTag and you just say "Alexa where's the nearest pair of socks?"
Pros:
No effort spent on putting your socks in the sock place. Just throw them anywhere.
Instant access to socks.
Cons:
Big Tech, with all its limitations and machinations, now mediates and controls the relationship between you and your socks.
You succumbed to the temptation to slack off, and now there are socks everywhere. The Roomba doesn't even work right.
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4. How about an image search that... actually returns the URL of the raw image? Here's a dead simple use case that is just unnecessarily frustrating. As a user, I want a high res picture of a buffalo. So: a. I do an image search for "buffalo" and the results page contains thumbnails of buffalos. b. I click the first result, it's tagged with "nationalgeographic.com" so it's probably gonna be good. Instead of the image…
Yes, everyone likes content better when they don't have to pay for it, all else equal. But content IP owners don't want to make content for free.