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USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#121

If you want a decent dock you have to spend a bit of money. I went through this pain before accepting the cost and buying a CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub[1]. Run's two 4k displays at 60Hz, any peripheral and charges my laptop. So good I bought a second. 1. https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/

What network controller does it have? Is it the same realtek ?

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #12

When work from home started, I went down this road of madness, and have a drawer full of docks that didn't work properly for my Macbook (properly is defined as works as a USB hub, connection to wired network, charges my Macbook, and lets me connect an external 4k display @ 60Hz). A Plugable Thunderbolt 3 Dock has carried me for 2 years so far.

I also have a Plugable Thunderbolt 3 Dock, currently powering two displays

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do--they just include the monitor as part of it. That seems to have been the vision since at least 2011 [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Thunderbolt_Display

That was discontinued over 6 years ago. In 2022, it isn't a great monitor, either.

They do have a replacement consumer monitor in 2022 [1], but in the meantime, they were selling and supporting the LG UltraFine 5K [2].

I haven't bought the new studio display, but the Thunderbolt Display was great and the LG UltraFine 5K is, too. Used both as daily drivers (and docking stations) for years. I only haven't bought the new one because that LG one is still going strong.

Regardless: my point is that this certainly seems to be "the vision." You don't need a docking station because your monitor functions as one. If I had to guess, they probably think normal people don't want to buy a docking station and then deal with a series of poorly-integrated peripherals.

[1] https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/apple-studio-display/stan... [2] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210205

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #74

I've gone through a number of Thunderbolt docks over the last few years. I tend to prefer docks to hubs because you tend to use your laptop at several fixed positions, each of which might have 1 or more monitors, a network cable, accessories (eg keyboard, mouse, camera) and so on. It's easier to just plug in one cable from the dock to the Macbook that'll do everything including power it. A good example of this is the…

> If you have flickering display in particular, your first instinct should be to blame the cable.

Any recommendations? I'm very happy with Monoprice's TB cables (https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24721), which start at $27 but are a lot cheaper than Apple's.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#125

If you want a decent dock you have to spend a bit of money. I went through this pain before accepting the cost and buying a CalDigit Thunderbolt 4 Element Hub[1]. Run's two 4k displays at 60Hz, any peripheral and charges my laptop. So good I bought a second. 1. https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/

Opened this for the express purpose of plugging caldigit. A device that improves on these other devices with a massive upgrade in engineering. Full teardown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f6Zs1JyZBQ&ab_channel=Camer...

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#126
post #81

I feel like if you need ethernet, hdmi, DP, etc you should buy a laptop that has those ports on it in the first place.

My dream laptop is something with the performance of the M1 but with the modularity and freedom of old ThinkPads.

I'm just hoping that by the time I stop using this M1 laptop there will be alternatives because there's really nothing I like about Apple other than their SoC.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #12

When work from home started, I went down this road of madness, and have a drawer full of docks that didn't work properly for my Macbook (properly is defined as works as a USB hub, connection to wired network, charges my Macbook, and lets me connect an external 4k display @ 60Hz). A Plugable Thunderbolt 3 Dock has carried me for 2 years so far.

I had 4 monitors going w/Plugable products. I've since gone down to 2 and I would recommend Plugable to anyone looking for dual monitors on a mac.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#128

And sadly, I own two out of three of those. It's worth noting that the Realtek is crap, even ignoring the OSX driver situation. I have a few of the 2.5GBe dongles to make my synology speak 2.5gb/s (because a modern NAS is 2020 should have more then gigabit, but doens't because reasons). The driver in Linux is hot mess. I seem to have much more luck then some with it.

Do you know of any alternative to the RTL8153 (1Gbe) and RTL8156 (2.5GBe) chips? The only competitors seems to be AQC111U, which appear to not be supported on ARM Macs, and AX88179 whose support appears spotty as well. Any experience with either?

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #74

I've gone through a number of Thunderbolt docks over the last few years. I tend to prefer docks to hubs because you tend to use your laptop at several fixed positions, each of which might have 1 or more monitors, a network cable, accessories (eg keyboard, mouse, camera) and so on. It's easier to just plug in one cable from the dock to the Macbook that'll do everything including power it. A good example of this is the…

> If you have flickering display in particular, your first instinct should be to blame the cable. Any recommendations? I'm very happy with Monoprice's TB cables ( https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=24721 ), which start at $27 but are a lot cheaper than Apple's.

So for things like iPhone cables, I just buy whatever nylon-braided cable Anker is selling now. I've been using Anker cables for years now and they've been reliable.

But for things like TB and DP cables, I don't have any particular brand recommendations. I'm not sure it matters. I just find something with a good rating on Amazon and buy 2 of them. Whatever gets labelled as Amazon Basics has thus far seemingly worked well enough.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

#130
post #5

If you use a laptop with an external monitor, a better idea is to get a premium monitor which handles charging, video, and data transfer of USB devices connected to the monitor for you. This allowed me to get rid off the wonky USBC hubs, but before my employer got me a Dell monitor I didn't know that a single USBC connection can deliver all three.

I went this route. I have a supposedly good Dell monitor where one of my devices will connect via video but not recognize attached USB devices 4 out of 5 times so I need to plug and unplug a bunch of times every day. It can take over 15 attempts on a bad day. Never again.
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