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Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by silicon2401 »

cycomanic wrote: post #115
skeeter2020 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important we don't confuse Patriotism with Nationalism. The former is about the individual and generally positive & good; the latter is faceless and evil.

Seriously I don't see any difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism to me is mainly a veil to hide behind, so that one can argue that the kind of nationalism one self practices is not really nationalism. An example is that many even quite left leaning people in the US (but also other countries) often start criticism of US politics with "I love my country, I believe it's the best country in the world..…

> Maybe I'm colored by growing up in Germany

You are absolutely colored by that. Germany has one of the worst identity complexes in the world because of nazis. It's understandable when the modern-day personification of evil came to power thanks to German nationalism, but it is definitely an outlier when it comes to national pride. In contrast, look at what non-western countries like India or Korea are like: unabashedly patriotic, which is great for them

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Post by silicon2401 »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #110
silicon2401 wrote: post #96

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This whole comment is just contributing to the toxic divisiveness that's permeating our country > or honestly the American flag this is especially disheartening. As a child of an immigrant family, one of the first things I'm going to do when I buy a house is proudly fly an American flag. I love our country and there are many reasons to be proud of it and its flag, and they're the reasons so many people want to immigr…

My parents have always had a flag pole, but flags are expensive and don't always last long. I remember in the late 80's my mom bought a yard of some end-of-roll fabric and made a couple of flags out of them that lasted the better part of a decade. We got so many inquiries of "what country is that flag?" I remember it looked something like Norway...

That's really fun, it would be a good opportunity to insert a flag from some favorite fantasy series.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by Spivak »

silicon2401 wrote: post #120
daviross wrote: post #119

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It's odd to attach "contributing to toxic divisiveness" to someone pattern-matching, rather than the people creating the pattern. It's all signaling & identification, so if you don't want people seeing a Thin Blue Line flag & going "maybe that's not somewhere I want to be", talk with the thin-blue-line people & get them to stop doing the things that make some people want to avoid them.

Let's see if you're consistent > if you don't want people seeing a predominantly black neighborhood & going "maybe that's not somewhere I want to be", talk with the people living in black neighborhoods & get them to stop doing the things that make some people want to avoid them. Do you still think there's nothing wrong with prejudice, or in your words, pattern-matching?

The difference that hasn’t been addressed, which to me is fundamental, is that we’re talking specifically about behaviors done intentionally whose purpose is to signal membership into specific tribes.

I don’t know what the right way to address this because it’s become extremely common to not organize under explicit banners but instead make your membership known by not subtle dog whistles to maintain, again, not subtle plausible deniability. Like everyone does it! I could fill your screen with just the liberal/left/blue whistles I know about. This will always suck for the people who aren’t announcing their membership but the alternative is being ignorant to the groups de facto organizing.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by ben_w »

cycomanic wrote: post #115
skeeter2020 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important we don't confuse Patriotism with Nationalism. The former is about the individual and generally positive & good; the latter is faceless and evil.

Seriously I don't see any difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism to me is mainly a veil to hide behind, so that one can argue that the kind of nationalism one self practices is not really nationalism. An example is that many even quite left leaning people in the US (but also other countries) often start criticism of US politics with "I love my country, I believe it's the best country in the world..…

I certainly understand where you’re coming from and why.

However, for me there is an important difference: nationalism is always “I support my nation because it is mine” whereas patriotism (can be) “I like my nation because of stuff it is actually good at”.

There’s certainly an overlap, and not just because of cognitive biases, but the latter doesn’t need to denigrate other nations when saying ones’ own nation is good.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

cycomanic wrote: post #115
skeeter2020 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's important we don't confuse Patriotism with Nationalism. The former is about the individual and generally positive & good; the latter is faceless and evil.

Seriously I don't see any difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism to me is mainly a veil to hide behind, so that one can argue that the kind of nationalism one self practices is not really nationalism. An example is that many even quite left leaning people in the US (but also other countries) often start criticism of US politics with "I love my country, I believe it's the best country in the world..…

The way I see it, a Patriot loves their country and wants to see it become the best it can be. They recognize its flaws and want to improve it to make it the best country in the world to live in. They see people immigrating into their country as a compliment.

A Nationalist already thinks it's the best country in the world, and considers any criticism to be traitorous. They think being born there makes them superior to everyone else in the world, and doesn't want the country to be dirtied by immigrants.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by vlovich123 »

hnbad wrote: post #62
vlovich123 wrote: post #49

I think I missed how the article’s initial premise is worked around by Wander. How is it avoiding competing with AirBnB unbundling itself (ie Luxe)? Isn’t that basically what the author says not to do? Is the only difference that Wander managed to acquire a large VC round?

The premise is that Wander is "10x better". Whether or not that is true is of course a matter of opinion, but as I'm not in the business of spending upwards of $1k a night on accomodation, I don't think I'm the target audience and thus in no position to make that judgement.

Sure, but the article is completely devoid of content to explain how Wander is 10x better. Almost reads like an advertisement for Wander without any actual content.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by whimsicalism »

daviross wrote: post #119
silicon2401 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole comment is just contributing to the toxic divisiveness that's permeating our country > or honestly the American flag this is especially disheartening. As a child of an immigrant family, one of the first things I'm going to do when I buy a house is proudly fly an American flag. I love our country and there are many reasons to be proud of it and its flag, and they're the reasons so many people want to immigr…

It's odd to attach "contributing to toxic divisiveness" to someone pattern-matching, rather than the people creating the pattern. It's all signaling & identification, so if you don't want people seeing a Thin Blue Line flag & going "maybe that's not somewhere I want to be", talk with the thin-blue-line people & get them to stop doing the things that make some people want to avoid them.

> It's odd to attach "contributing to toxic divisiveness" to someone pattern-matching, rather than the people creating the pattern.

Eh, don't really like this concept as a general principle. 'Pattern-matching' can often just be discrimination.

FWIW, I think it is fine to make inferences based on what flags people are flying and avoid overly patriotic people.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by whimsicalism »

ben_w wrote: post #124
cycomanic wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously I don't see any difference between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism to me is mainly a veil to hide behind, so that one can argue that the kind of nationalism one self practices is not really nationalism. An example is that many even quite left leaning people in the US (but also other countries) often start criticism of US politics with "I love my country, I believe it's the best country in the world..…

I certainly understand where you’re coming from and why. However, for me there is an important difference: nationalism is always “I support my nation because it is mine ” whereas patriotism (can be) “I like my nation because of stuff it is actually good at”. There’s certainly an overlap, and not just because of cognitive biases, but the latter doesn’t need to denigrate other nations when saying ones’ own nation is go…

I disagree.

If I said "I like Germany because it is comprised of the superior Germanic race" that would be nationalism, but under your definition it would be patriotism.

If you're saying that this is not within your definition, then I think your usage of "good" in your definition is question begging.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by chronofar »

splonk wrote: post #113
chronofar wrote: post #65

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They also very rarely have kitchens or washer or dryers for long term stays, or monthly discounts (advertised at least). If you’re just there for a few days stay over sure hotels are a fine choice, if you’re staying for a while they often won’t be particularly well suited, and finding one that is will take just as long as searching AirBnB. Like the person you responded to I also spend a great deal of time searching f…

Serviced apartments (and to a lesser extent extended stay hotels) try to cover that niche, but they're pretty thin on the ground outside of major cities. I think Sonder was also trying to do that kind of thing but I have no idea if they've expanded outside of SF and one or two other cities, or for that matter if they've shut down in the past couple years.

Yeah I've tried that route but the lack of reviews and difficulty finding usually ends up not working out. Sonder has expanded, but has fairly mixed reviews whenever I chase them down. It does seem promising though so I do continue to include it in my searches, it just hasn't been able to provide a great solution yet for what I've been looking for.

Re: Unbundling Airbnb

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Post by chronofar »

WorldMaker wrote: post #117
chronofar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also very rarely have kitchens or washer or dryers for long term stays, or monthly discounts (advertised at least). If you’re just there for a few days stay over sure hotels are a fine choice, if you’re staying for a while they often won’t be particularly well suited, and finding one that is will take just as long as searching AirBnB. Like the person you responded to I also spend a great deal of time searching f…

Many "extended hotel stay" chains offer amenities likes kitchens and laundry. Most have "Extended Stay" somewhere in their brand name. Marriott's relatively common brand in many major cities is Residence Inn. To my experience Residence Inns are quite reliable.

Yeah Residence Inn is the most common one I look for as well of this type, though they're not all like this, and the ones that are often aren't price or review competitive, thus it rarely wins out. I do definitely look down these avenues though, and if they were more common or at least consistently highly reviewed (I'll pay a premium for reduced cognitive load if the experience will be reliably positive) I would do them more often, but it's just not common enough to be a reliable solution from what I've found.
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