Wow. This thread isn't controversial at all. I haven't found a single comment making a case for Snap. It seems to be universally disliked - at least by this crowd.
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Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
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Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
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Firefox is only available as snap now. I gues it's bthe same for other apps. For VSCode I managed to download a deb from their site IIRC, but from apt it only suggests to download from snap.
Interesting. Firefox on snap was an absolute nightmare. Not only would New Tab break after an update, fonts would break as they may be (re-)loaded from disk which becomes missing when the app gets remounted at a new mount point after an update. I forget which hoops I had to jump through, but I did finally find a non-snap method that allows me to manually update (or dismiss prompt) to get around these issues while sta…
FF has been driving me crazy lately.
Every other day it blows away all my open tabs and whatever I had going on in them.
I have a bunch of random tabs open, some with essentially "unsaved work", like shopping carts which may be the result of an hour of research, editing files in web interfaces like github or fluidd (web interface to a 3d printer) ... and randomly once every day or 3, I'll go to touch anything, any button in any of those tabs, like edit that config file some more, or try to save it... and kablooey, "firefox needs to restart" and I lose everything I had going.
This is a new thing that didn't used to happen.
Apparently the snap teams response to this story would be "Don't use FF like that."
Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
#123Somehow when googling software snap will often come up and try to push users to install snap and the software. Almost feels like malware on every level. Can't comprehend why they are pushing it so hard. Ubuntu is on borrowed time.
I have been a huge fan of Ubuntu for a long time. But the way they push snap is really making me question this choice. The more I learn about snap the less I like it.
It seems that sometimes the push is external. A few days ago Canonical announced that they would switch Firefox to snap because that's the only way Mozilla will allow them to redistribute it.
Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
#124Having observed (well deserved) criticism of both Snap and Flatpak during the years, Flatpak seems to emerge as the most sensible solution, continuously addressing and improving on the pain points and security challenges. I have been using Fedora 34/35 the last year or so, and Flatpaks are well integrated and mostly just works without any performance hit. Being able to adjust permissions per app (with Flatseal) has a…
As an Alpine user, Flatpak is invaluable. Snap isn't supported because it requires systemd.
Had not thought about that! I want to set up my old Lenovo X220 with a minimal distro and was thinking of using Alpine + Sway. Using Flatpak for all the "regular" apps more than makes up for the apps not present in Alpines repos.
Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been a huge fan of Ubuntu for a long time. But the way they push snap is really making me question this choice. The more I learn about snap the less I like it.
It seems that sometimes the push is external. A few days ago Canonical announced that they would switch Firefox to snap because that's the only way Mozilla will allow them to redistribute it.
> because that's the only way Mozilla will allow them to redistribute it.
I doubt this is the whole truth, compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30800957
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm switching to debian my next install. It's similar enough internally
For a personal desktop, I wouldn’t recommend it unless you’re willing to run sid, because while the outdated software collection is no big deal most of the time, it’s a tremendous pain when you really do need a new version of something, and you ultimately just give up and instal the whole thing from source into /usr/local, which in a half-dozen years predictably evolves into a mess. Running sid is an option, but the…
personally I recommend debian "rolling testing" (rather than pinning to a specific release name) with security updates from sid. this prevents all but the most subtle bugs from reaching you and you still get the new hotness within a few weeks of sid. there is a release freeze for a few months prior to the each stable release, but I've had no major issues from that.
the other subtlety is that security updates come later to testing than they do to either stable or sid, but this can be mitigated: https://gist.github.com/khimaros/21db936fa7885360f7bfe7f116b...
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That's what I thought, until the other day I realised something I had installed was via snap. I'm afraid the only solution requires stop using Ubuntu :(
sudo apt purge snapd
Does it mean that apt will then install a non-snap version?
I haven't verified that, but considering that nothing suggested that I was installing a snap app (other than me not paying attention to apt's output, I guess), I'm not sure if that's even possible. I was planning to stay with 18.04 LTS and then move to something else, but seems like either snap was there already or it has been added after I upgraded.
Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. Firefox on snap was an absolute nightmare. Not only would New Tab break after an update, fonts would break as they may be (re-)loaded from disk which becomes missing when the app gets remounted at a new mount point after an update. I forget which hoops I had to jump through, but I did finally find a non-snap method that allows me to manually update (or dismiss prompt) to get around these issues while sta…
FF has been driving me crazy lately. Every other day it blows away all my open tabs and whatever I had going on in them. I have a bunch of random tabs open, some with essentially "unsaved work", like shopping carts which may be the result of an hour of research, editing files in web interfaces like github or fluidd (web interface to a 3d printer) ... and randomly once every day or 3, I'll go to touch anything, any bu…
I have a similar situation.
The issue here is that the apt update changes firefox program files underneath it which needs a restart. Afaik, using the mozilla release directly is the only solution for this where the program files are changed only after exit.
Edit: This has become more common nowadays due to multiple point releases close to each other, to fix some important bug.
Re: Disabling automatic refresh for Snap from store
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I'll give you the same answer I gave people when Microsoft started doing the same nonsense with Win10: I totally agree your average end user is poor at managing updates themselves and thus it is justified to enable auto-updates by default. What that does not justify is totally removing the ability to turn them off. Feel free to make it a little harder to disable: the user has to run a CLI command or something, but th…
Sensible defaults, but built for the power user. Makes sense.
The old argument is that anything a power user can do, a malicious script can do too. So such options must be removed entirely if there is any chance of a less technically inclined user being tricked into doing it.
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Some argue full disk encryption should be the default. Others argue hibernation should be the default. Here they appear to be in conflict, and that the former was prioritized.
But they're not. You can very well have the swap on top of LVM on top of LUKS. And the root and other partitions share that same LVM and LUKS. So now you have FDE and the kernel will know how to assemble it all. The only difference with the default pop OS install is that the swap key isn't changed on every boot. But since the other partitions holding the actual data use persistent keys, that doesn't look like much of…
If I wanted full disk encryption, my memory state in swap would sure as hell be one of the things I wanted encrypted.