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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

paganel wrote: post #73
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

Stepan Bandera Avenue was called Moscow Avenue up until 2016, where it was renamed after anti-communist (and, granted, nazi sympathiser) Stepan Bandera. He was arrested by the Gestapo and put in a concentration camp after refusing to revoke an attempt to make Ukraine an independent state.

You're doing some interesting mental gymnastics here. Do you think "a Russian bomb doing its thing very close to a boulevard" is in any way evidence of the "mainstream media" hiding the Truth or whatever? Who do you work for? Do you actually believe the Russians are attacking Ukraine because of nazis? Do you believe their invasion and the murder of civilians is warranted?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by hammock »

snek_case wrote: post #62
fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

That's true for now, but eventually, as the technology progresses, it will take very little training data to create deepfakes of anyone unfortunately. Probably just a minute or two of video.

Not to mention, while it could be hard for random online trolls, certain state actors in your country of residence likely already have a ton of your face stored on video, celebrity or not.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by spywaregorilla »

odonnellryan wrote: post #33
Graffur wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been on HN for years now. I don't recall anything in particular that would fall into "The Clinton stuff". What are you talking about?

Oh not on HN sorry. I meant in the context of general conservative discourse. I have friends and family who bring up the Clintons a lot.

The right wing political machine made Hillary Clinton out to be the devil. They, correctly, anticipated her run for president after Obama, and spent years making her out to be the worst person in America before she even began campaigning.

The result is many conservative circles are still obsessed with her even though she is relatively unimportant.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by ghostpepper »

duxup wrote: post #93

I'm curious about the usefulness of deepfakes in the face of 'momentum'. Russia has largely been seen negatively, not just for the invasion, but also their military performance. Underdogs are popular and Ukraine's stiff resistance vs what was thought to be a vastly stronger power and they have has captured a lot of the West's enthusiasm / support. Russia's propaganda about nazis, being liberators, chemical weapons, '…

I doubt that any propagandist ever thinks a single piece of propaganda will single-handedly turn the tide of a war. I am no expert but I assume it's more a case of 'every little bit helps'

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by [deleted] »

crate_barre wrote: post #18
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be. It’s simpler and more insidious than that. I’ll use the old Eleanor Roosevelt quote: "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." Most people are not that intellectual and probably spent most of their life gossiping. They wouldn’t know how to even discuss certain topics if the low hanging fruit of…

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by jonnycomputer »

caffeine wrote: post #87
bavent wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Have you tried living in any liberal part of the country? People there don’t just think they should dictate what you do , but also what you think!

I think that is generally true everywhere. People are against censorship, except when they're for it. They're for religious freedom, except for "those people". They're for free speech, except when you say things they don't like. I've not seen one group that values their own speech, their own beliefs, their own values, actions and communities, that doesn't undervalue the speech, beliefs, values and communities of other people.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by RobertMiller »

hermannj314 wrote: post #113

Is a deep fake asking Ukrainians to surrender an Article 37 violation of Geneva convention for perfidy? I know false surrender is a crime, but using propaganda to trick the enemy into a surrender by pretending to be them, I wasn't sure. I guess - is this a tool we will see more often or a tool not fit for civilized warfare?

It's a form of what is called 'black propaganda': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by newsbinator »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #111

The idea could also be to first post something obviously fake, in order to make everyone think, that their deep fake video tech is not addvanced enough to create really good fakes. Later they post something, where they put in maximum effort to make it seem real, having people think back to the previous fake and think: "Oh but this looks real and they are not able to produce better deep fakes than that other video."

That seems self-defeating via Streisand Effect or at least Cry Wolf effect.

Most of the people who’d believe a video saying the opposite of what they’d expect is real have never been aware of deep fakes.

And now thanks to this poor deepfake they are aware of deepfakes and are primed to question future videos, even if they seem real.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by RobertMiller »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #112
RobertMiller wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz

We have no proof you are not a Nazi either. Let's assume you are, just to be safe. And maybe we can write a few blogs about it and drum up a following?

I do not believe Zelensky is a Nazi. The evidence against it is much stronger than the evidence for it. Your ire against me is misdirected.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

RobertMiller wrote: post #84
paganel wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

> He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, That is strong evidence that he isn't, but short of proof. A counterexample from California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz

Does it actually matter though? If he was a nazi, and if he engaged in practices from WW2 nazis like putting people into concentration camps, then there would be a case.

But it doesn't warrant an unprovoked single-party invasion. We're better than that these days.

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