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Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by vwoolf »

crhulls wrote: post #111
ryukafalz wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad that we have become a neighborhood for tourists and wealthy tech owner second homes. But, the character of the town remains, which is a nice silver lining. You see why it’s become that, and why your blue collar friends have had to move though, right? It’s not just that it’s cl…

If you talk to the people who grew up here, even the ones who were forced to move due to costs are not supportive of the current affordable housing plans. They want to come back and visit the town they grew up in. For example, I have a caretaker on my property who lives in a trailer and even he doesn't want the plans to go through - he wants the town to stay rural. I'm also on the village association and while almost…

even the ones who were forced to move due to costs

The policies you advocate are the ones that raise the cost of housing by limiting supply. Your own preferred policies force people to move, who can't afford the rent.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by Abekkus »

mperham wrote: post #113
casefields wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hogwash. CEQA is doing exactly what it was meant to do. By its very nature it's a conservative ideal that we should be careful about development. That process slows/stops things you hate, but also things you like.

No, what it does is force development thru sprawl which decimates wild lands. Our cities need to grow upwards, not outwards.

Cities don't need to grow far upwards if they just throw out cars. 3-5 floors are plenty

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by ryukafalz »

crhulls wrote: post #111
ryukafalz wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad that we have become a neighborhood for tourists and wealthy tech owner second homes. But, the character of the town remains, which is a nice silver lining. You see why it’s become that, and why your blue collar friends have had to move though, right? It’s not just that it’s cl…

If you talk to the people who grew up here, even the ones who were forced to move due to costs are not supportive of the current affordable housing plans. They want to come back and visit the town they grew up in. For example, I have a caretaker on my property who lives in a trailer and even he doesn't want the plans to go through - he wants the town to stay rural. I'm also on the village association and while almost…

> I'm also on the village association and while almost everyone agrees there should be more affordable housing, we are almost all opposed to the broad brush stroke way it is being done.

My experience with such community organizations in my area is that they skew much older, wealthier, and whiter than the rest of the population in the area. I don’t know whether or not this is true there, but consider that the views of your village organization’s members may not be representative of the whole community.

Even if they were, though, the housing crisis is bigger than just your town. It’s not just those who live there now that matter; it’s also those nearby who need a place to live, who may have been priced out of their own communities too. It’s a big problem, and I don’t think just limiting vacation rentals and allowing ADUs is sufficient to fix it at this point.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by devwastaken »

Government protects government. This is further proof universities are above the law, so much so they get brand new law made just for them, but not for you. Remove federal funding of universities. This is a racket that must be put down for the betterment of society.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by bastawhiz »

crhulls wrote: post #101

I'll share an unpopular opinion, loosely in defense of some elements of NIMBYism. I grew up in a small Marin County town called Point Reyes. It had 350 residents when I grew up, now maybe 1,000. The main reason people live there is to feel remote and rural. It is a way of life. Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad…

> Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad that we have become a neighborhood for tourists and wealthy tech owner second homes. But, the character of the town remains, which is a nice silver lining.

> Forcing a town of I'm not sure what does alter the housing problem if not housing. It seems your position is "don't come here...unless you're rich" because the rich don't affect the "character" of the town.

You don't want lots of people. But your only option is to make it hard for people to move in, which constrains the supply of housing relative to demand. Which, in turn, makes prices go up. Which, in turn, forces out your blue collar resident friends. You can't have it both ways.

What you're doing with one unit honestly doesn't make much of a dent in any problem unless you're adding an order of magnitude more units. If anything, you're locking in that space to higher-but-still-very-low density. It's much easier to bulldoze a mansion than evict multiple families.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by pvg »

crhulls wrote: post #101

I'll share an unpopular opinion, loosely in defense of some elements of NIMBYism. I grew up in a small Marin County town called Point Reyes. It had 350 residents when I grew up, now maybe 1,000. The main reason people live there is to feel remote and rural. It is a way of life. Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad…

The main reason people live there is to feel remote and rural. It is a way of life.

Point Reyes and surroundings have been a popular tourism destination for decades, though. A large chunk of the people living there would not live there if it wasn't that - they benefit from it and from the proximity to a large urban center. Representing it as some sort of remote rural backwater doesn't quite capture the nature of the place.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by tines »

crhulls wrote: post #101

I'll share an unpopular opinion, loosely in defense of some elements of NIMBYism. I grew up in a small Marin County town called Point Reyes. It had 350 residents when I grew up, now maybe 1,000. The main reason people live there is to feel remote and rural. It is a way of life. Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad…

While driving up Highway 1 with my family on vacation, I drove past/through Point Reyes and admired what a beautiful town it was. I thought that I'd love to have grown up there. Alas, I'll never be able to live in California, that's a dream I'll have to be satisfied with not attaining.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by newman8r »

tines wrote: post #128
crhulls wrote: post #101

I'll share an unpopular opinion, loosely in defense of some elements of NIMBYism. I grew up in a small Marin County town called Point Reyes. It had 350 residents when I grew up, now maybe 1,000. The main reason people live there is to feel remote and rural. It is a way of life. Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad…

While driving up Highway 1 with my family on vacation, I drove past/through Point Reyes and admired what a beautiful town it was. I thought that I'd love to have grown up there. Alas, I'll never be able to live in California, that's a dream I'll have to be satisfied with not attaining.

Point Reyes and Tomales Bay are beautiful and unaffordable. But there's plenty of spots in California that are beautiful and also affordable. Look into the sierras, the deserts, the rural communities in San Diego county, etc. There' even places directly on the water on the Colorado River for under 400k.

Re: Gov. Newsom signs law to stop UC Berkeley enrollment cuts

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Post by zbrozek »

crhulls wrote: post #111
ryukafalz wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the proximity to San Francisco, the real estate prices have skyrocketed. Almost all my blue collar friends have had to move. It is sad that we have become a neighborhood for tourists and wealthy tech owner second homes. But, the character of the town remains, which is a nice silver lining. You see why it’s become that, and why your blue collar friends have had to move though, right? It’s not just that it’s cl…

If you talk to the people who grew up here, even the ones who were forced to move due to costs are not supportive of the current affordable housing plans. They want to come back and visit the town they grew up in. For example, I have a caretaker on my property who lives in a trailer and even he doesn't want the plans to go through - he wants the town to stay rural. I'm also on the village association and while almost…

Unfortunately, the local control approach isn't providing enough housing. Giving property owners rights will allow market forces to provide what is needed. Nobody is saying that the owner of the parking lot must develop housing on it, but giving them the freedom to do so is unequivocally good in our current situation.

Municipalities have resisted doing what they have needed to do for too long, shirking their responsibility to residents current and future, that an intervention is required. And lots of folks will kick and scream about the character of their neighborhoods.

I live in a legendarily NIMBY community. I want to convince my wife to move to a red state and retire as we cash out of CA.

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