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Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by onebot »

colesantiago wrote: post #90
conradev wrote: post #87

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The entire space is a scam? Luke makes some good points and some not so good points about the challenges with the technology. He acknowledges that every single digital transaction you make can be seen by banks, for example, and yet does not propose an alternative solution. Credit card data is among the most valuable, and sold many times over to advertisers. Do you personally think that that is a problem worth figurin…

Yes. Web3, Crypto, all of it. This website [0] chronicles all what is going on in web3 and this site is an excellent rebuttal of the entire space [1] [0] https://web3isgoinggreat.com/ [1] https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html

You are entitled to your opinion. But it is just that, an opinion. Not fact. Citing other opinions doesn't make your claim, that all crypto and web3 are a scam, a fact.

Only time will tell. In the meantime, I am happy that this project can get any funding from wherever it can. Especially, since open source is a thankless and typically paid-less job.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by conradev »

colesantiago wrote: post #90
conradev wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire space is a scam? Luke makes some good points and some not so good points about the challenges with the technology. He acknowledges that every single digital transaction you make can be seen by banks, for example, and yet does not propose an alternative solution. Credit card data is among the most valuable, and sold many times over to advertisers. Do you personally think that that is a problem worth figurin…

Yes. Web3, Crypto, all of it. This website [0] chronicles all what is going on in web3 and this site is an excellent rebuttal of the entire space [1] [0] https://web3isgoinggreat.com/ [1] https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html

You are linking to those as if I haven’t read them – I have! I find the grift in the space just as gross.

You didn’t answer my second question about whether you (yes, you, not Stephen Diehl) think that having a private way to transact online is important. Do you?

The next question for you is a little more philosophical – say cryptocurrency is bad, evil and should be “gotten rid of”. What do you propose we do about that? Ban Proof of Work? Yell about it online and pretend that’s going to make it go away? Nothing I have heard about “what to do about it” quite makes sense. I think the actual answer is going to involve convincing people of things – people who work in cryptocurrency. Unilateral critics are working pretty hard against themselves in that regard.

The overall stance reminds me of people who think Facebook or Spotify are evil – they very well may be, but they provided such a massive utility to the world that the ideas are not going away (a social network connecting most humans on earth and an instantly accessible database of most music ever recorded). You have to fix what is out there, because you can’t really put the genie back in the bottle.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by colesantiago »

onebot wrote: post #121
colesantiago wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Web3, Crypto, all of it. This website [0] chronicles all what is going on in web3 and this site is an excellent rebuttal of the entire space [1] [0] https://web3isgoinggreat.com/ [1] https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html

You are entitled to your opinion. But it is just that, an opinion. Not fact. Citing other opinions doesn't make your claim, that all crypto and web3 are a scam, a fact. Only time will tell. In the meantime, I am happy that this project can get any funding from wherever it can. Especially, since open source is a thankless and typically paid-less job.

> I am happy that this project can get any funding from wherever it can.

There is nothing wrong with calling it what it really is. A scam. Complete fact. I can cite countless sources that wouldn't fit this comment box, but instead I point to alternatives as others have asked. [0] [1]

As I said before, solutions exist already outside of accepting and endorsing crypto scam token projects.

[0] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2021-12-09-news-rust-f...

[1] https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-fund/

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by dallashoxton »

colesantiago wrote: post #54
xiphias2 wrote: post #51

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At least if the are fake they can't be used for drugs and terrorism. Otherwise it wouldn't be fake :) You're contradicting yourself many times in this thread.

Wrong. I explicitly do not call them currencies because they cannot be used as such in the real world. All these tokens are extremely volatile and always used by speculators which makes them useless to be used as a currency. It is fake money that is being cashed out for fiat money on these unregulated token exchanges, not to mention the decentralised ones.

But you just outlined use cases for crypto (illicit activity, etc) in your grandparent post while simultaneously claiming crypto can't be used as a currency. Which is it?

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by colesantiago »

dallashoxton wrote: post #124
colesantiago wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong. I explicitly do not call them currencies because they cannot be used as such in the real world. All these tokens are extremely volatile and always used by speculators which makes them useless to be used as a currency. It is fake money that is being cashed out for fiat money on these unregulated token exchanges, not to mention the decentralised ones.

But you just outlined use cases for crypto (illicit activity, etc) in your grandparent post while simultaneously claiming crypto can't be used as a currency. Which is it?

Both.

As I said, they aren't useful at all in the real world legally, only on unregulated exchanges where only mostly criminals are able to swap their tokens for fiat from their scores of ransomware raids and scams.

I would be in favour of regulations needing to kill this part off as Monero and Zcash isn't accepted on most of them. Not to mention you cannot even pay your taxes with these crypto tokens.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by colesantiago »

conradev wrote: post #122
colesantiago wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Web3, Crypto, all of it. This website [0] chronicles all what is going on in web3 and this site is an excellent rebuttal of the entire space [1] [0] https://web3isgoinggreat.com/ [1] https://www.stephendiehl.com/blog/against-crypto.html

You are linking to those as if I haven’t read them – I have! I find the grift in the space just as gross. You didn’t answer my second question about whether you (yes, you, not Stephen Diehl) think that having a private way to transact online is important. Do you? The next question for you is a little more philosophical – say cryptocurrency is bad, evil and should be “gotten rid of”. What do you propose we do about th…

Tight regulations is the solution and is needed on the crypto space.

The privacy tokens will be first, Monero, ZCash, etc, they will be completely banned and made illegal due to this, (why does Coinbase still not allow these tokens?)

Next, we need to crackdown tighter on the exchange ramps, we only have to look at the Tether fraud [0] that is happening, then the crackdown will begin on the whole space.

Then the crash will happen from there and the fallout would be terrible for people who bought these now worthless casino chips. So maybe that crypto will still exist but way less people will use them, especially the privacy ones.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-10-07/crypto-my...

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by psychlops »

judge2020 wrote: post #101
kekebo wrote: post #71

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Towards the flagged sibling comment about the tor network providing a hiding place for illegal activities and terrorism: While it's non-trivial to inspect many aspects of tor traffic, an often used study metric has been the (determinable) percentage of connections to hidden services, which are usually assumed to be disproportionately malicious. This ranges around ~5% across most studies, the most recent one I can fin…

It's easier to account for the quantity of malicious use of Tor towards non-hidden internet websites > Based on data across the CloudFlare network, 94% of requests that we see across the Tor network are per se malicious. https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-trouble-with-tor/

For comparison, I'm curious what the percentage is excluding Tor.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by xiphias2 »

colesantiago wrote: post #125
dallashoxton wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you just outlined use cases for crypto (illicit activity, etc) in your grandparent post while simultaneously claiming crypto can't be used as a currency. Which is it?

Both. As I said, they aren't useful at all in the real world legally, only on unregulated exchanges where only mostly criminals are able to swap their tokens for fiat from their scores of ransomware raids and scams. I would be in favour of regulations needing to kill this part off as Monero and Zcash isn't accepted on most of them. Not to mention you cannot even pay your taxes with these crypto tokens.

It's quite easy to be ,,just'' a criminal nowdays. All you need is just be born in a country led by a multibillionaire dictator who wants to nuke the world and want to receive your salary for your hard work from an American company.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by sodality2 »

iamnotarobotman wrote: post #69
bavell wrote: post #36

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So you're saying a tor rewrite in rust is the road to hell then? Or that tor itself is the road to hell? Either way, your same argument can be made against the whole internet which should demonstrate how silly it is.

> Either way, your same argument can be made against the whole internet which should demonstrate how silly it is. Not really. I recognize that the same criminals can also use the wider internet too, however there are central authorities and regulators in different countries that have laws that regulate the internet in the countries that they are in and these criminals will be caught very quickly if they tried. The di…

You could have said the same thing circa 30 years ago regarding the internet versus phone calls and letters.

Re: Arti – An implementation of Tor in Rust

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Post by samhw »

nopcode wrote: post #100
samhw wrote: post #65

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Does anyone know how TAILS accomplishes this, then? It doesn't rely on a relay like Whonix does, but I'm not a networking expert or a Linux expert, so I'm not altogether sure how it does work.

TAILS has a very simple approach: - Configure all applications to use Tor with the SOCKS proxy - Block all non-Tor traffic with iptables https://tails.boum.org/contribute/design/Tor_enforcement

Ah, interesting, thank you. As far as point (b) goes, it seems to work pretty well: I can’t recall an occasion where I’ve had traffic blocked. (I suppose in practice not many applications use custom IP-but-not-TCP-or-UDP-based protocols.) So could that same thing not be a solution to e12e’s question?
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