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Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by CapricornNoble »

foxfluff wrote: post #69
cabirum wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Ukrainans believe there's a "ghost plane" in the sky that destroyed half russian air force.

> And Ukrainans believe there's a "ghost plane" in the sky that destroyed half russian air force. No, not a ghost plane. Just a nickname given to a pilot (though it could be multiple pilots) who allegedly shot down a handful of Russian planes in the first days of the war. "Ghost of Kyiv." There's uncertainty and a lot of speculation going on about this pilot's accomplishments (and identity), but that doesn't mean the…

>>>that doesn't mean the Ukrainians are being told lies

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-s-snake-island-h...

^Another example of a Ukrainian "myth" being a straight up lie. I haven't seen good data confirming Ghost of Kiev's kills....much like the "Russian Airborne lost 2x Il-76 transports full of paratroopers". I haven't seen pics of Il-76 crash sites. Seems odd, considering the huge amount of photos/video of coming out of the war, including plenty of other downed aircraft.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by will4274 »

lovelyviking wrote: post #106
jug wrote: post #78

Yandex going belly up would certainly send a message to Russia Like Google Search going out in the western world

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

> no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told.

In my experience, these statements are contradictory. When nobody asks what the people think, the people notice, believe little, and keep their own thoughts close.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by boplicity »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #117
tragictrash wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home. The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.

The vast majority of Republicans approve of Trump. In other words, they approve of perpetual, blatant dishonesty, or at least don't think it is important enough to change their opinion. Very disheartening.

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Post by lovelyviking »

severino wrote: post #119
lovelyviking wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

send message and then what? the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example. People in the west are too naive to realise that in russia no body asks what people think. The level of propaganda is so strong that people would believe whatever they are told. The idiocy of those in the west who think that russians can decide something once they face sanctions is…

> the propaganda there would tell that west is using any chance to put russia down and here is another example Aren't we?

russians have worked very hard to deserve such attitude. let’s not swap the cause and effect.

btw sending ballistic rockets to bomb Kiev’s population is hardly justified by anything anyway.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by dkn775 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #117
tragictrash wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are too naive to think the people can't see what's going on. Putin brought this on his people for some idealogic crusade. Not everyone will understand but some will.

Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home. The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.

Look at how uniform the Ukrainian coverage is if you think we can’t agree on a common reality. In principle I am pro Ukrainian I guess, although the gas prices are pissing me off, it’s too obvious to see the uniform lack of anything but one side story being told everywhere online and in media

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Post by rajup »

gameswithgo wrote: post #51
osrec wrote: post #2

I believe the sanctions may well trigger a change in the Russian public's opinion of Putin. Right now, my Russian friends tell me that state propaganda is so strong that a significant proportion of the Russian population believe the Ukranian deaths are due to Ukranians just killing themselves. Surely at some point they'll see that what they're being told doesn't make sense. Especially if they also start to see a dete…

After seeing what about half of America was able to believe for over six years I have no confidence that people will realize things don’t make sense

Firstly it’s not half of America since not everyone votes. Secondly I doubt every Trump voter believes or believed every single lie he spewed. There are tons of reasons why someone might have voted for him without really agreeing with all of his rubbish. IMHO it would help to stop painting this other section of voters as dumb and easily duped.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by treis »

can16358p wrote: post #91
sobkas wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I live in Turkey and we have a similar state propaganda (though fortunately not war). So what about Syria? Kurds are another topic you might want to look into (both inside and outside the Turkey). Azerbaijan-Armenia proxy war? It's not as easy as you think.

We don't have war here. Syria and refugees are part of a bigger plan. It's not like the government suddenly became philantrophic and wanted to help people running from war. For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together. Again, government's agenda is to divide and conquer so they made Kurds "enemy" to some (gullible) part of the population. Surely it's not "easy" though my point stands: when you control mainstrea…

>For decades Kurds and Turks lived happily together

Which decades were those?

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by rchaud »

PedroBatista wrote: post #44
fffobar wrote: post #14

Normally you'd have simply floated another bond (not a puttable one this time). Credit is a funny thing, it becomes unavailable the moment you need it most ...

Credit exists when you’re able to pay it.

It also exists if you can obscure the risk and shift it to somebody else. See mortgage backed securities in the US in the run up to the 2008 crisis.

Re: Yandex warns of bond repayment and supply risks

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

dkn775 wrote: post #125
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, some will. But we've seen how well propaganda works here in the US over the last 6 years, I feel less and less and certain that we'll be able to agree on a common reality here at home. The number of people that still argue about how the last election was stolen just blows my mind.

Look at how uniform the Ukrainian coverage is if you think we can’t agree on a common reality. In principle I am pro Ukrainian I guess, although the gas prices are pissing me off, it’s too obvious to see the uniform lack of anything but one side story being told everywhere online and in media

Can you elaborate on this? I've seen a lot of reporting across various outlets on how Ukraine is impacting the markets. What is the side of the Ukraine conflict that you're not seeing being reported right now that you wish would be?

Edit: some examples

Fox News: https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/gas-prices-ukraine-russi...

CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gas-prices-5-dollars-gallon-rus...

CNBC: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/03/how-the-ukraine-russia-confl...

USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/03/03/gas-prices-u...

This isn't exhaustive but I tried to cover the main political spectrum here.

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