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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

> But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong?

No, of course it isn't. But many people I know, myself included, are afraid to speak out against what we see as new forms of hate levied in their name. The CHAZ or the hijacking of this brutal war against Ukraine into a commentary on care only being bound to race or the evacuation of cisgendered women and men from their own bodies by way of language so that everyone is "just" a vagina-haver or penis-possessor are just a few examples of where I see these pushes become the very weapons of the forces its proponents profess to fight.

> Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

As a liberal (or what was liberal 10 years ago), I mostly notice how much people who stand for these issues attack others who have a different opinion and try to silence them.

This is the first time I'm giving voice to some of these deeply unpopular opinions in the new liberal left spaces like HN, for which I fully expect to be downvoted and potentially flagged into oblivion.

I don't think the oft-violent rhetoric and deplatforming crusades of the new left is the right way of effecting positive change on the world.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

Bullshit false equivalence. I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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> Twitter and facebook are being blocked This is the silver lining as people on Reddit are reporting a marked decrease in right wing trolling in all their social media

This is something I'm very interested in. Is the average Western consumer of COVID misinformation, racial hate-baiting, etc. seeing a sudden decrease in new "content" to share? Does anyone know of any organizations studying the ongoing levels of creation and engagement with that type of content?

This was shared on Reddit by someone to back up the claims

https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/hamilton-dashboard/

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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> And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely. I'm a liberal and would like to point out that fellow liberals say the same about conservatives. We're wasting energy and making enemies fighting a narrative warfare, and it's frankly very stupid. Jail the their protestors, but not our own. Deplatform their voice…

> Deplatform their voices and curtail their free speech, but not our own If there's one thing Democrats and Republicans agree on, it's that tech isn't censoring the things they want censored.

I'm currently debating how many burner accounts I should make to upvote this, because this so succinctly describes the situation. Everyone wants the thing they hate gone, and hates the the other side feels the same way about something they love.

(note to mods: after debate, the answer was 0, plz no rate limtz)

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Avowed leftist here: Let's just agree that both the Dems and Repubs ban/seek to stifle opinions they don't agree with. Someone wants to ban Maus, someone else wants to ban Joe Rogan. Both parties want power at the expense of "freedom". Censorship is part of existing as part of a society though. There are people who seek to actively hurt others using words and media, and the whole idea of a state is to (pretend?) to a…

> Censorship is part of existing as part of a society though

I suspect that's exactly what Putin would say if he were challenged.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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We shouldn't allow people to spread lies and demonize one side unchecked. If were going to talk about problems, its best we don't scape goat on one side and admit there are flaws in both parties. Letting them scape-goat and demonize unchecked doesn't help anything either.

I stand by what I said. Focus on what you have in common and deal with disagreements by leveraging conflict de-escalation techniques such as NVC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication . Think about what you stand to gain arguing with someone on the internet. Consider what it does to your mindset. I agree with you on civil disagreement and standing up for what you believe. For instance - I disagree wit…

> For instance - I disagree with you on the lab leak theory and laptop comments. I understand you feel about them strongly, but I think you are smart and should reconsider the source material for those claims. Further, I feel the way you expressed it was regrettable: "blood on their hands" is unnecessary and inaccurate. You could have phrased that in ways that were more accurate, more effective, and less inflammatory.

Notice what you're doing though. The information content of this is effectively the polite version of "stop being mad and wrong, go read a book."

It contains no actual rebuttal of anything. You present no new facts or reasoning, only an assertion that you disagree which was already implied.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Bullshit false equivalence. I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

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Any evidence that democrats “operate the antifa terrorist network”? There were riots in Portland after Biden was elected, it seems antifa are mostly anarchists and not a fan of the current Democratic Party either.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Do you remember all the reporting about russia and trump during this time? Would you call that news fake or not fake?
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