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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by shusaku »

ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

> This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default.

Doubtful. But they’ll make up for it by having it be on sale 24/7/365. I love my thinkpad but the buying process is awful.

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Post by rovr138 »

AuthorizedCust wrote: post #115
throwaway984393 wrote: post #112

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I would not take that wager. Just because it has a USB-C port doesn't necessarily mean it has support for anything other than basic USB device support.

Huh? How else would you charge this device?

There are laptops with USB C that still have a separate power port to charge.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by bogwog »

Jedd wrote: post #103
avidphantasm wrote: post #98

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If you are authoring 16:9 content, something like 16:10 allows for some UI controls to be displayed along with 16:9 video at native resolution during previews. When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better.

> When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better. I don't think that's how space works.

A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

ihateolives wrote: post #7

Interesting. I was recently looking to upgrade my personal T480s which I use for development, but didn't see anything in Lenovo lineup that were reasonably light/powerful/quiet/cool enough to make put in the order. I've grown so sick of laptops constantly hissing at me when I do something more complicated than browsing the web. My work issued Dell is basically unusable in a quiet room without headphones. So as an imp…

I'm enjoying my new yoga slim 7 carbon with 5800u! silent most of the time with lots of open programs.

Also a truly beautiful oled screen, whereas new thinkpads tend to have terrible screens.

Also about 1kg, almost perfect windows laptop.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by mschaef »

ksec wrote: post #92
vladvasiliu wrote: post #83

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Does that apply across sizes? I'd expect laptop screens, having a different pixel density, to be manufactured on different lines so that having the same aspect ratio as some other size wouldn't count that much.

If the Pixel density differs ( a lot ) then yes it doesn't matter. But you still need economy of scale. This doesn't matter as much now because current LCD panel industry is essentially left over by Smartphone market. So you get a lot more flexibility than trying to print millions of the same 16:9 panels.

Do you have any sense what share of the LCD panel industry goes to phones?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pinephoneguy wrote: post #107
chrisjc wrote: post #104

I think I'll always associate anything that runs on Qualcomm (thought it's not just them) as temporary due to its short lifespan and lack of vendor support based on my experience of buying Android phones, tablets and media devices. I think this is already true of some (all?) Chromebooks that actually have expiration dates. This is probably not a fair comparison since it's a laptop and windows-based, but it would take…

I stopped buying Qualcomm smartphones years ago. There's no way I'd by a laptop with one of their chips. What an unfortunate choice by Lenovo.

>What an unfortunate choice by Lenovo.

Well they didn't have much choice here. MediaTek, Samsung, and the rest are equally bad. The ARM SoC market is flooded with chips designed to have the shortest SW support lifespan possible.

Maybe Nvidia can get its shit together and put out a competitive ARM chip.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by Jedd »

bogwog wrote: post #123
Jedd wrote: post #103

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> When programming, more space is better. So for creators, 16:10 is unambiguously better. I don't think that's how space works.

A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

> A 16:9 screen is wider than it is tall, so if you’re programming that means fewer lines of code visible at a time.

A 16:10 screen is also wider than it is tall.

I'm not sure if I'm being trolled.

Number of usefully displayable lines is not defined by the x:y ratio.

Further, any half-way decent 16:9 monitor can, in a matter of moments, become a 9:16 monitor.

EDIT: I am aware we're talking about a laptop display, so orientation isn't flippable - but OTOH if you're trying to develop code on a 13" monitor at 1200 pixels high - your problem is not a ratio one.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pinephoneguy »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #126
pinephoneguy wrote: post #107

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I stopped buying Qualcomm smartphones years ago. There's no way I'd by a laptop with one of their chips. What an unfortunate choice by Lenovo.

>What an unfortunate choice by Lenovo. Well they didn't have much choice here. MediaTek, Samsung, and the rest are equally bad. The ARM SoC market is flooded with chips designed to have the shortest SW support lifespan possible. Maybe Nvidia can get its shit together and put out a competitive ARM chip.

The fundamental problem is the refusal to publish driver source. Nvidia is one of the last companies on earth I'd expect to do that.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by arghwhat »

pdenton wrote: post #116
sandGorgon wrote: post #70

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https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/ Fedora 35: aarch64 DVD ISO should work. Just FYI, we run our entire production api on arm on AWS. Its pretty rock stable and mature. The stability of ARM on linux is pretty much a solved problem at this point.

Just Fedora or any aarch64 distro? I thought aarch64 meant raspberries.

aarch64 means 64-bit ARM, which apply to anything from server-grade hardware to smartphones to raspberry pi's.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

marcodiego wrote: post #85
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #58

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would linux support be better this time around with ARM considering we have had years of raspberry pi and similar devices support? i would love to know if linux can shine on arm for desktop use out of the box

This is something that scares me. Since linux had a large dominance on ARM, it was common to vendors to make drivers for their devices. By making drivers, I mean get the driver properly mainlined. Of course, there always existed the mostly proprietary and closed board support package but it was to their disadvantage and there was a huge incentive to write drivers. My fear is that, with windows becoming popular on ARM…

would it be like a situation where they would have to do less work because of existing linux support rather than building new windows support? dunno this looks like another mess then
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