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Post by kodah »

datavirtue wrote: post #120
antisol wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but doesn't rise to lies Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't. > I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents These two statements would seem to contradict each other.

Don't get drawn into this garbage. It is an argumentative technique to obscure the facts they refused to acknowledge or refute.

I'm not employing any "technique" just saying things I know and things I can verify, just like everyone else.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by kodah »

antisol wrote: post #112
_ktx2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're definitely repeating some of the misinformation in the form of reductionism. The situation with WMDs in Iraq was definitely wrong , but doesn't rise to lies . Two different countries were saying that they suspected these weapons were in Iraq, where Al Qaeda was heavily present, and often protected. The cherry on top was that in the 1980s Saddam had not only manufactured chemical weapons but he used them as wel…

> but doesn't rise to lies Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't. > I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents These two statements would seem to contradict each other.

> Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't.

Those pictures come from somewhere and I believe the Wikipedia article touches on it. The Intel community testified that while this intelligence was provided, it wasn't necessarily an indicator that they were being produced.

> I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents

2008/9 was an economic crisis and I lost the job that allowed me to pay for college. I did what paid the bills and what allowed me to live a life with credit defaults.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by pkulak »

ceejayoz wrote: post #99
pkulak wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any video of the first NYC plane? If there was a second Pentagon plane, I'm sure we'd have that.

There is, yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St7ny38gLp4

Holy crap! I had no idea. That's crazy that someone just happened to filming something else and turned the camera around.

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by antisol »

kodah wrote: post #122
antisol wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but doesn't rise to lies Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't. > I was raised never to trust the government. I served in Afghanistan under two different presidents These two statements would seem to contradict each other.

> Those schematics of the WMD-factory-trucks that I remember seeing on TV and the assertion that saddam had a bunch of them churning out WMDs sure seem a hell of a lot like lies. Maybe someone can explain to me how they weren't. Those pictures come from somewhere and I believe the Wikipedia article touches on it. The Intel community testified that while this intelligence was provided, it wasn't necessarily an indicat…

> Those pictures come from somewhere and I believe the Wikipedia article touches on it. The Intel community testified that while this intelligence was provided, it wasn't necessarily an indicator that they were being produced.

If the intel community didn't say that saddam had those trucks, then Colin Powell must have lied when he presented those schematics to the UN as something that saddam totally had... right?

> I did what paid the bills and what allowed me to live a life with credit defaults.

Makes sense, I understand and apologise for my snark. That must have sucked :)

Re: Newly published 9/11 footage [video]

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Post by Breza »

nest0r wrote: post #91
TacticalCoder wrote: post #23

I'll just say this: many here are convinced our AI overlords have landed and we'll soon all be out of jobs and deepfakes are undistinguishable from the real thing. So I'll say this: if you believe AI is advanced, then in 2022 it's not possible to take this video for granted and you have to take into account that all evidence surfacing from now may be deepfakes. I'm not saying they are: I'm saying you have to keep tha…

Please for the love of everything go and inform yourself on the basics of computing especially hardware. There is so much shitty hype about everything and we are at least 1-2 Generations away to make anything remotely feasible in that direction.

And it's worth noting that this footage shows an event that we watched live in 2001. The idea that any of it could have been faked in realtime across all TV networks is beyond science fiction.
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