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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by jakamau »

nikodunk wrote: post #10
sudders wrote: post #6

Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

Is this an issue for Ubuntu specifically or all distributions? Read somewhere that they recommended Fedora 35 for the best driver support at the moment, though that'll probably change after the next releases of 22.04 and F36. Awesome that you're switching your whole team to Frameworks - my next work laptop will for sure be a Framework too :)

You'll still have a battery drain issue for Fedora 35 (1-2%/hour while in suspend). Like some other commenters, I went through the extra hassle to set up a swap partition and sleep-then-hibernate. I genuinely enjoy the laptop now that I've resolved the standby battery drain.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by TranquilMarmot »

noahtallen wrote: post #61
outside1234 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MacBook Pro 2021 M1? It is totally something special: 1) The hardware is first class. Everything is back where it should be and improved. You can't get hardware like this anywhere else. 2) It is extremely fast. Nothing ever slows down. I can't figure out anything to throw at this thing that will turn on the fan even. 3) It just works. No drama. This is very valuable if your real value is writing code and not doin…

Seriously. No other laptop on the market can do all of: - have an insanely long battery life - stay completely silent - have excellent performance The other laptops which can theoretically beat the MBP at some tasks utterly fail at being silent or having long battery life under load. And the other silent laptops (chromebook maybe) can’t manage heavy workloads. So it is very unique in the laptop space.

I use an M1 Macbook for work and I also have a Framework for personal use and... yeah.

I adore the Framework but I really wish there was a REAL non-Apple competitor in the laptop space. The M1 is just _so_ quiet and fast, I really have to try hard to get the fan to spin up. Can't really speak for battery life since it never leaves my desk where it's plugged in haha.

It's a shame I despise macOS so much or else I'd use this work laptop for personal stuff more often.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by netizen-936824 »

charcircuit wrote: post #117
netizen-936824 wrote: post #113

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Genuine question here. I run gentoo on an NVMe drive and I have zero reason to use sleep or hibernate as my machine gets to the DE in under 30s. What use cases are there that absolutely requires these features when boot times are so short?

Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.

The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot.

What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by charcircuit »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #123
charcircuit wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.

The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

>What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

As a simple example open documents in libreoffice. I don't want to automatically start LO every time I turn on computer. If I have documents open I want to be able to return to the same place when I came back.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by crossroadsguy »

Heh. I saw the Ireland flag and immediately thought maybe just they forgot to put a wheel in the middle and just tilted it a bit wrong and looks they selling in my country as well now :)

I think I will just have to get a Dell or HP or Lenovo by now (if not another Mac). By the time they will decide to sell on this side of the planet they will either go defunct (just a sad prediction) or customised laptops won't be a limited fad-like anymore.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by nine_k »

Const-me wrote: post #104

Good one, but IMO a bit too expensive for the specs. I recently got a new laptop with Ryzen 5 5600U, 32GB RAM, and 2TB SSD. The laptop is HP ProBook 445 G8. RAM and SSD were sold separately, the upgrade only took 10 minutes and 6 screws. I paid less than €1000 including the upgrades. The laptop is comparable to the Framework professional they offer for €2280. AMD CPU is better, 15442 versus 11036 points of cpubenchma…

That's what economy of scale does for you.

Also, this is what integration, that is, limiting the customization options, does for you.

Having a niche and highly customizable thing costs you extra.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by aunty_helen »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #118
aunty_helen wrote: post #9

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This is a point that people should remember if they're thinking about purchasing a framework. This is still very much beta hardware. The battery drain is annoying, it's around 30-50% per night depending on what addon cards you have. I've got a setup that puts it close to 40% per night so the laptop has to live on charger over night if I want to use it the next day. However, the thing that's really stopping me from us…

??? I absolutely love the touchpad on the Framework. I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. Honestly I don't mind tap-to-click vs. press-to-click. I can agree that the speakers aren't stellar but that's something I don't care about on a laptop since I always have…

They did change the audio chip due to supply chain issues. My laptop was right around the time they changed so I'm not sure which I've got. But there's an audible tone and then static and then an audible tone when there's no sound. So it's obvious that it's switching on and then off.

This is with a pair of akg K371.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by throwawaymsft »

Sholmesy wrote: post #79
ashton314 wrote: post #60

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Opening my Emacs config on a top i9 mbp takes an average of 3–4 seconds. On an M1: <1s.

Not to stir the eternal debate, but if my Vim config takes > 100ms, I start debugging what's going on/figuring out the responsible plugin. 3-4seconds would drive me insane :O

A few seconds isn’t bad to boot an OS, no? ;-)

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Post by throwawaymsft »

gtvwill wrote: post #34
ghostly_s wrote: post #33

Interesting that the only two new laptops that have tempted me in years (the Framework and the new MBP) both arrived at roughly the same time yet with wildly different design philosophies.

I find it interesting that the mbp garnered so much attention from tech folk. Perf AVG, build eh. Ethos...terrible. yet still. Gets people in the door to buy it. Humans are wack.

Yeah, it’s wack how people want to buy the laptop with the best perf per watt ever.
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