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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by heywire »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #118
heywire wrote: post #100

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Yep, we have Metronet here and it has been pretty great (North of Dayton)

I'm also near Dayton. I should just buckle down and get their service. I don't really want to be behind CGNAT and the $10 / mo fee for a static public IP address seems steep. My friends who are using the service like it, though.

I haven’t encountered any issues with CGNAT, nor has my son, who plays way more Xbox than he should. I use Tailscale when I need to access something at home while out and about, and have considered using cloudflare tunnels for hosting from home.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by hocuspocus »

ftth_finland wrote: post #119
hocuspocus wrote: post #91

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Unbundling (the copper lines) and open fiber deployments are different things. Many municipalities still haven't gotten fiber deployments from the local utilities, and in practice you can be stuck on Swisscom's fiber. It's not too bad since several ISPs are also able to use it: for instance Sunrise before (I'm not sure they still allow it), but also Init7 (their Hybrid7 offering). However an ISP like Salt uses only o…

> I understand the decision to enforce P2P deployments and give smaller ISPs a fair chance but it's definitely going to hinder the speed of new deployments. Why would P2P slow down deployment? You have the same exact amount of cables in a P2P and a P2MP topology, the only difference is the amount of fiber in the cables. There is a (small) cost savings, but that's about it.

You're absolutely right but in practice, P2MP allowed Swisscom to connect new apartment buildings in suburban municipalities that otherwise don't have FTTH generally available.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe P2P topologies would be inefficient (i.e. too expensive) for sparsely connected areas. Conversely, the kind of hardware needed to operate XGS-PON is prohibitively expensive to small ISPs, and they're all deploying P2P topologies, and only that.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by djdjfhsje33edh »

samstave wrote: post #87
Youden wrote: post #23

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It's not just the city of Zürich, Adliswil has it too, at the very least. I believe Init7 leases fibre from Swisscom in other locations. My understanding is that federal law requires Swisscom to give access to its infrastructure to other companies for a fair price.

Gee... wouldnt it be cool if the USA paid telecoms $400,000,000,000 to build out said infra? Oh wait.. The Book Of Broken Promises: $400 Billion Broadband Scandal And Free The Net https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5...

Writing out all of the zeros in $400 billion doesn't make your point any more compelling.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by djdjfhsje33edh »

kingcharles wrote: post #114
syntaxing wrote: post #42

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If you’re in the US, you can try out T-Mobile ISP. I get 300 down/ 20 up pretty consistently and no throttle. Ping sucks but can’t complain at $50 a month.

I second this, it's 5G, just plug in and go. The cheapest wired Internet I could get here in downtown Chicago on my block was $70,000+ installation, then $800 / month. I was spending $400 / month on my cell phone bill just for data before I switched to T-Mobile Home Internet.

How does downtown Chicago not have anything like standard DSL or cable internet packages?

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by ftth_finland »

hocuspocus wrote: post #122
ftth_finland wrote: post #119

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> I understand the decision to enforce P2P deployments and give smaller ISPs a fair chance but it's definitely going to hinder the speed of new deployments. Why would P2P slow down deployment? You have the same exact amount of cables in a P2P and a P2MP topology, the only difference is the amount of fiber in the cables. There is a (small) cost savings, but that's about it.

You're absolutely right but in practice, P2MP allowed Swisscom to connect new apartment buildings in suburban municipalities that otherwise don't have FTTH generally available. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe P2P topologies would be inefficient (i.e. too expensive) for sparsely connected areas. Conversely, the kind of hardware needed to operate XGS-PON is prohibitively expensive to small ISPs, and they're all dep…

The cost of fiber is so low it doesn't make much difference between P2P or P2MP, be it urban or rural. All the real cost is in having somewhere to put the fiber.

XGS-PON isn't that expensive. You can buy disaggregated XGS-PON modules in a SPF+ form factor for $1500. CPEs are $120 each.

I don't really get why Swisscom wouldn't be able to deploy P2P in low or medium density areas if they wanted to.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by kingcharles »

djdjfhsje33edh wrote: post #124
kingcharles wrote: post #114

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I second this, it's 5G, just plug in and go. The cheapest wired Internet I could get here in downtown Chicago on my block was $70,000+ installation, then $800 / month. I was spending $400 / month on my cell phone bill just for data before I switched to T-Mobile Home Internet.

How does downtown Chicago not have anything like standard DSL or cable internet packages?

They do in places.. just some city blocks are black holes. I don't know why. The blocks on every side of me have standard DSL and cable connections. I had multiple teams from Comcast, AT&T etc etc out here for surveys. Comcast initially stated it would cost me $68,000 to run a cable from the next block. Then they said that must be an error and sent another survey team out who came back and said yes, it was an error, the real cost would be $71,000.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by wyager »

throw0101a wrote: post #61
wyager wrote: post #27

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> fiber is quite future proof To give an example - OS2 single-mode fiber is the standard fiber for contemporary datacenter deployments and I assume also for last-mile deployments. It's super cheap (less than 20cpf for indoor cable, whereas cat7 copper is closer to 60cpf), has an insane range (a standard $25 fiber PHY can operate with a cable from 0m-10km), and has an insane bandwidth limit (it's currently used for ev…

> If you're wiring a home today, I would 100% use OS2 over CatN unless you also need PoE. OS2 is not needed for most homes. Use multi-mode fibre (OM4 or OM5), which can do 25-100 Gbps @100m (or more): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-mode_optical_fiber You'd have to have quite a house to need internal runs longer than 100m (300'). For runs up to 100m: 2.5 Gbps can be done with Cat5e, 5G with Cat6, and 10G with C…

There is zero reason whatsoever to use OM over OS. The PHYs are only like $5 cheaper and it's worse in every way.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by floatinglotus »

xattt wrote: post #15
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #10

I have 1gbps. I had to get a decent router. Cheap home routers can't handle it even when they outright claim they can. You also want something better than cat5 for home wiring. Lastly spinning hard drives wont keep up on sustained reads/writes you need an SSD. The above is things you should do when you have 1gbps in order to actually get those speeds. I know people will argue citing 640k being enough for everyone and…

What’s your decent router? I’m in the market for something fresh and an Edgerouter-4 is looking long in the tooth…

Run switchdev with Netris, if you have SmartNIC you can hit 100Gbps.

Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by [deleted] »

TameAntelope wrote: post #56
uvesten wrote: post #48

This is the ISP that I’m using, and they are insanely great, imho. I especially like that you get a static IPv6 /28 for free, something that has finally made me learn IPv6 in depth. Still only on 1 Gb/s fiber though, because I havent found any router that is 10 or 25 Gbps that I’d really like to have at home. Are there any good consumer-grade 10 or 25 gbps routers? Also, what is up with all computers _still_ having 1…

> I especially like that you get a static IPv6 /28 for free Have we learned nothing...

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Re: 25 Gbit/s internet as a normal customer

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Post by Seattle3503 »

was_a_dev wrote: post #63
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #53

25 Gbit sounds nice, but even my 1 Gbit line is mostly wasted. I use a Raspberry Pi as my torrent box which seems to cap out at 7 MB/sec write speed. Even Steam tends to only download at 30-50 MB/sec most of the time. People tend to grossly overestimate how much bandwidth they need, especially non-technical people. Even a 100 Mbit connection is more than capable of letting a family of five all stream Netflix at the s…

I currently pay for 78Mbps for myself and my partner. At most I am going to downloading something from steam (~10Mbps), watching something from YouTube (~10Mbps) and my partner will be streaming something to the TV (~10Mbps) Even at this extreme there's still ample headroom, and our rate is ISP limited; so the line can do much more.

Gigabit is definitely worth it for me. I can start download for a 50+ GB game on Xbox game pass and be ready to play in a few minutes. I often get home and finish eating by 9pm, and not needing to wait 45 min to an hour to download a game makes a huge difference.
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