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Post by pfisch »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #108
pfisch wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you using your truck to block the economy of Canada right now? Have you participated in the protests with your actual body in any way? Do you even live in Canada or do you represent the interests of another country entirely?

Do you eat with chopsticks? Have you participated in a blood ritual? Do you even live north of the equator or do you represent the interests of another hemisphere entirely? Are we just asking each other preposterous questions?!

He used himself as an example of the protestors. How can he know that unless he is a protestor or knows pro vax protestors?

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Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

bluetonium wrote: post #114
kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's the difference between protesting and rioting? Did the truckers burn stuff down and loot shops?

If we're being honest with ourselves blocking major trade routes has at least as much economic impact, though it's harder to see/measure.

I don't think they can simply block the trade routes - surely people can route around it. In any case they protest against not being allowed into the country with their trucks, so either way the trucks wouldn't be running?

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Post by ajkdhcb2 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #34
weruiojkl24 wrote: post #18

Bitcoin fixes this.

No it doesn't - they're authorised to crack down on funders, including via crypo and crowdfunding.

Authorisation does not equal capability. Bitcoin has no privacy so I see how use of it could be trivially tracked and punished. With a private cryptocurrency like Monero it may be feasible to do anonymous crowdfunding; recipients have various ways to cash out into usable currency albeit with significant inconvenience

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Post by verisimi »

tyleo wrote: post #92
verisimi wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you are fine with the government shutting down the economy for years, mandating of experimental health treatments to gain access to work, etc, but you are not ok with people protesting against those decisions even when their livelihoods are at stake? Do you realise too that Trudeau got ~30% of the vote, and that his party didn't even receive the most votes but win on account of the electoral system? IE voting eve…

Please reread what I said. I don’t think it’s okay. It’s the very first sentence in my reply to you. I’m open to discussion but only if you are replying to what I'm saying.

What I understood is that you were saying a line needed to be drawn, and presumably that the truck protests had crossed that line. They shouldn't be able to stop the economy.

That would be a fine argument to me, except that all the concern about the economy does not ring true, coming from a government that has shut down the economy (allowing for large corporations to continue, of course) for 2 years!

This is pretty much the first protest against those actions against the economy, but now the concern is that these protesters are acting harmfully.

Honestly, it sounds so upside-down to me! The government structure has caused huge economic harm to everyone, and then when people finally complain the government accuses them of causing economic harm! It really is perverse.

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Post by panarky »

verisimi wrote: post #16
grej wrote: post #7

“With no need for court orders, banks can freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.” The politics of this particular situation aside, this feels like a terrifying development for future protests, and public discourse in general.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Why would ostensibly "nonviolent protesters" need an arsenal of illegal weapons?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

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Post by jrochkind1 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #86
jrochkind1 wrote: post #12

Anyone on the left should be aware they are going to use any new powers of control or punishment against the left in the the future (and more often and more significantly and increasingly so over time).

Too late[1]. Let me know when armored RCMP officers are dragging truckers from their rigs and throwing them in jail[2]. [1] https://rabble.ca/indigenous/land-defenders-in-court/ [2] https://thenarwhal.ca/rcmp-arrests-wetsuweten-media-photos/

Of course.

I am saying if they aren't yet freezing land defender's bank accounts, without even the need for a court order, under the Emergency Act, as per this article -- be sure they will use this precedent to do so, once they have set it, many more times against the left than the right. It sounds like you would probably agree, since you are aware they are generally much harsher against left protests/disruptions than right.

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Post by Ancapistani »

panarky wrote: post #125
verisimi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Why would ostensibly "nonviolent protesters" need an arsenal of illegal weapons? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

FYI, the word “illegal” doesn’t appear in the article.

I’m not super familiar with all the intricacies of firearms law in Canada, but nothing there looks like it would be illegal to own there. A few are “restricted”.

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Post by hovercv »

panarky wrote: post #125
verisimi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently it also includes people who donated to their cause. A peaceful, non-violent cause. Wow. North Korea, look out!

Why would ostensibly "nonviolent protesters" need an arsenal of illegal weapons? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coutts-protest-blocka...

A former RCMP sniper, who was also present in other freedom convoy press conferences, says the weapons are being planted by an unknown group:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVXi8ZkJ9qM

CBC will not report this.

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Post by causi »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #74
causi wrote: post #30

Not that the trucker protestors are right, but watching the Right and Left do a complete 180 and copy/paste each others' comments from the 2020 BLM protests is either the funniest or the saddest thing I've ever seen. It seems more and more that people only pretend to have principals so long as they can use them to advocate for their own side.

Maybe it's the difference between protesting and rioting? Did the truckers burn stuff down and loot shops?

There are alleged photos of a group of them trying to set fire to an apartment complex but I'm not putting a ton of stock into those claims until they're substantiated.

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Post by EForEndeavour »

kkjjkgjjgg wrote: post #122
bluetonium wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're being honest with ourselves blocking major trade routes has at least as much economic impact, though it's harder to see/measure.

I don't think they can simply block the trade routes - surely people can route around it. In any case they protest against not being allowed into the country with their trucks, so either way the trucks wouldn't be running?

"They" just blocked The Ambassador Bridge for six days. This bridge transports 25% of the value of all Canada-US trade, coming out to roughly $360 million (presumably USD) per day: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/truckers-ambassador-b...

The Ambassador Bridge links Detroit to Windsor across the Detroit River at the southern tip of the Ontario Peninsula. The closest US-Canada land crossing is the Blue Water Bridge between Sarnia, ON and Port Huron, MI, 2 hours' drive north.

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