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Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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- The currency of my country is collapsing, I need to buy something which has a value unconnected to my country. - My country imposes export controls on foreign currency. I want to move my money out of my country. - I am unbanked and want to buy a good or service on the internet. - I do not trust the counterparty that I am dealing with on the internet. Using cryptocurrency means that my maximum loss is the vavlu of t…

My Government coordinates with technology companies to hinder if not eliminate my ability to purchase basic items or use fundamental services for me to carry out my daily life.

A Government forces a private company to restrict 9 million CAD donated to a cause.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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- The currency of my country is collapsing, I need to buy something which has a value unconnected to my country. - My country imposes export controls on foreign currency. I want to move my money out of my country. - I am unbanked and want to buy a good or service on the internet. - I do not trust the counterparty that I am dealing with on the internet. Using cryptocurrency means that my maximum loss is the vavlu of t…

So to summarize, it is useful for variously exfiltrating money out of a country, laundering, and for people who are savvy enough to use crypto but not sensible enough to have a bank account. The point about currency collapse is interesting to me, because (like almost all crypto apologist points) it assumes you already have a bunch of it/made a bunch of money on it before the bad thing happens. Everyone else gets to s…

The vast majority of the planet have no access to the banking infrastructure the west and developed nations have.

Bitcoin fixes that and removes the middlemen.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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Bitcoin, specifically, has the following advantages:

1. "store of value" - no single entity (US Fed, Chinese dictators, De Beers etc) controls its issuance. Supply is fixed and cannot be monkeyed around.

2. ease of transfer - we can transfer $10 or $1B worth of Bitcoin easily in 10min for a relatively little cost. While Gold also satisfies #1, it is not easy to transfer.

3. programmability - bitcoin can be wrapped and opens up a lot of possibilities (lending, collateral etc) on other chains like Ethereum.

4. other people believe in it too - I can trivially fork and create my own ShitCoin. But a harder step is getting other people to adopt it. Bitcoin adoptees, on the other hand, range from gen-Z WSB-ers to staid institutions. The later bucket - US senators, S&P500 companies (MSTR), countries (El Salvador), hedge funds, HNWI's - in particular is providing critical momentum.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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- The currency of my country is collapsing, I need to buy something which has a value unconnected to my country. - My country imposes export controls on foreign currency. I want to move my money out of my country. - I am unbanked and want to buy a good or service on the internet. - I do not trust the counterparty that I am dealing with on the internet. Using cryptocurrency means that my maximum loss is the vavlu of t…

> I've lost my phone and wallet, I can still get cash from a bitoin ATM using the crypto I'm storing in my brain. To be a bit mean but how do you find the Bitcoin ATM?

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Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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Bitcoin, specifically, has the following advantages: 1. "store of value" - no single entity (US Fed, Chinese dictators, De Beers etc) controls its issuance. Supply is fixed and cannot be monkeyed around. 2. ease of transfer - we can transfer $10 or $1B worth of Bitcoin easily in 10min for a relatively little cost. While Gold also satisfies #1, it is not easy to transfer. 3. programmability - bitcoin can be wrapped an…

My first post on HN. I've been watching for about 11 years +. I remember bitcoin in the early phases too. It was used exclusively for illegal purposes.

Ten years down the line, I see new arguments. Store of value is very common. My understanding of digital currency is as follows, You get a small file that's encrypted, and you give someone large sums of money. I can have a 10 year old write up gibberish in Word, and encrypt it for you, if you want to give me money. Digital currency has no value, but what people are willing to pay for it. So if you want small, gibberish files with a password, please ask, I'll give you as many as you want as long as the price is right.

Digital currency is scarce. There are thousands of forms of digital currency out there, and thousands more will be created, making a unlimited amount of files with nonsense in them, that people want to buy. I remember there was a site on HN several years back that you could create your own digital currency. I created one. I never checked it out afterwards. Digital currency is not scarce.

Ease of transfer. I don't know how it is today, but back in the day, it was not easy. You had to set up a wallet, they had to set up a wallet. Information had to be exchanged. Just no. When a mom and a dad, can hand a 2 dollars to a clerk and get a gallon of milk. Ask that same person to try that with a digital currency. Ease of use in a big no.

Digital currency is secure. I just saw a post on HN that someone hit the wong button and delete 1/2 million dollars of digital currency. I remember Mt Gox. I see stories every week about how insecure digital currency is, and not 100s or thousands of dollars, but millions and billions. No not secure.

Digital currency is not subject to inflation. Lol, you drank the cool aid. Big players like investment institutions have gotten in the market. Everything that can't do on the stock market they can do in the digital currency market. You don't think they can be manipulated. Digital currency go up and down every day. In otherwords, if you actually think this is a currency, which it is not. Then, you have deflation and inflation in extreme amounts, daily.

On a side note, the energy use for creating these worthless files is not good for the planet, and should be used somewhere else with a real purpose.

I hope I'm wrong, and digital currency unites the world, ends poverty, homelessness, war, and hunger. But until then, miss me on this insecure, difficult to use, worthless, gibberish files.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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> so when her business started turning profit and she wanted to change her private acc to business they locked up her funds How would crypto have solved this ? Can she do business accepting only bitcoin ? How does crypto accounting work ?

Good questions. A crypto payment processor allows setting up a payment gateway like Paypal, but accepting USDC instead. When accepting payment, the amount is deposited into the business owner's own wallet. The business owner can choose to accept payment in USDC. USDC is a ERC20 token, each backed by 1 USD or Treasury equivalent, operated by Circle, registered with FinCEN and dozens of other regulators, with monthly r…

It sounds like to are still forced to trust a third party exchange, and you now cannot accept payment from customers unless they pay in a cryptocurrency (USDC). Is that right? How is this better than a third party intermediary who takes dollars and sends you dollars?

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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- The currency of my country is collapsing, I need to buy something which has a value unconnected to my country. - My country imposes export controls on foreign currency. I want to move my money out of my country. - I am unbanked and want to buy a good or service on the internet. - I do not trust the counterparty that I am dealing with on the internet. Using cryptocurrency means that my maximum loss is the vavlu of t…

The credit card one is a good one, credit cards are the worst possible approach I can imagine to transact money with. Forex exchange is pretty cheap these days with things like Wise. You can technically charge your debit / credit card just by knowing the number. All the others are political problems and they can't beat a state actor. Eg. You won't stop the government from seizing your assets: they'll put you in jail…

The credit card one makes sense if you are dealing with a completely untrusted third party with no intermediary, although in practice it probably just means you are using a crypto-based intermediary instead of a conventional one (PayPal, Venmo, etc.).

I’m not sure what you would be doing where that would make sense that’s not an illegal/illicit transaction.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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It seems the core of this is that Paypal charges 3% and alternatives like banks don't work because either they are not allowed to transfer that much money or the recipient does not have an account. Regarding the transfer cap, I really don't understand this. Is that a cap on personal transfers? Regarding Paypal price, let me ask this: Is the 3% Paypal asks required costs o working with fiat currencies? NO. Then that i…

The state (in the general sense, as in the federal government) wants to know where money comes from and where money goes to. Control over capital flow is one of the fundamental levers of modern day political power.

You can say that and it sounds intellectual, but the government’s real interest is in collecting taxes and preventing crime.

If you’re not trying to avoid legally-owed taxes or commit crimes, these things can all be done by traditional means.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good questions. A crypto payment processor allows setting up a payment gateway like Paypal, but accepting USDC instead. When accepting payment, the amount is deposited into the business owner's own wallet. The business owner can choose to accept payment in USDC. USDC is a ERC20 token, each backed by 1 USD or Treasury equivalent, operated by Circle, registered with FinCEN and dozens of other regulators, with monthly r…

It sounds like to are still forced to trust a third party exchange, and you now cannot accept payment from customers unless they pay in a cryptocurrency (USDC). Is that right? How is this better than a third party intermediary who takes dollars and sends you dollars?

In the current market a third party intermediary who takes dollars and sends dollars, e.g. credit cards, the costs of accepting a payment range from 10 cents to 3% of the transaction value. This can be higher than the use of USDC on the polygon network. There may be a delay measured in days or hours between accepting a payment, and the payment reaching your bank account. This compares to a USDC transfer taking seconds. The bank holding the funds may arbitrarily block your merchant account for reasons such as: operating in an industry the bank dislikes, transacting with international customers during a conflict.

By holding the funds in the business' own wallet, if the payment provider suspends services, the funds are not seized by default - and not having liquidity immediately seized during the crucial moments where the business is suspended have important advantages for many businesses.

Re: Ask HN: What real world problem does cryptocurrency solve?

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That’s an excellent question. I’ve been thinking about this topic a lot. Here’s some problems I think a good cryptocurrency solves: - Trust: you don’t need to trust any authority or money emitter when using a cryptocurrency. - Anti-inflation: It’s not possible to print e.g. bitcoin so you are not hit by the “inflation tax” - Nowadays, governments and other institutions can easily block a bank account with very little…

You still have to trust the exchanges.

Governments can absolutely still imprison you or seize your other property until you pay your taxes.

The value fluctuates wildly and can collapse at any instant. Unlike gold or many other assets, it has zero intrinsic value.

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