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Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

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On one hand, we should obviously applaud anyone doing anything to bring down drug prices. On the other hand, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with just how much free marketing and PR is being applied to the "Mark Cuban Pharmacy" without much critical examination of what's going on here. Taking one of the examples straight from their homepage: They will sell you 30 Prozac tablets for $3.90: https://costplusdrugs.com/med…

> In 2020, 8.6 percent of people, or 28.0 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year[0]. [0]: https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-27... .

>In 2020, 8.6 percent of people, or 28.0 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year

OK. Is your point Mark should be trying to build a single insurance offering or marketplace that could serve them all? Not being confrontational, just genuinely curious if think his efforts are better spent there?

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#122

On one hand, we should obviously applaud anyone doing anything to bring down drug prices. On the other hand, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with just how much free marketing and PR is being applied to the "Mark Cuban Pharmacy" without much critical examination of what's going on here. Taking one of the examples straight from their homepage: They will sell you 30 Prozac tablets for $3.90: https://costplusdrugs.com/med…

Isn't that exactly the problem? When you factor in the cost of health insurance, Americans pay a buttload for healthcare compared to the rest of the developed world. A big proportion of this is because when people see expensive drugs they just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and say "my insurance pays for it". All this once-removed cost makes it hard for people to reason about what they are overpaying for as an individual so as a society…

Hospital profit margins are razor thin in the US. Their pricing is so convoluted because they have to come up with inane contracts with insurance companies to squeeze out every dollar they can.

In some instances, doctors in private practices have told me that taking Medicare or Medicaid means making less than minimum wage for certain procedures because the rates are fixed at such low values. In other cases, ER and intensive care units make nothing because they cannot legally turn anyone away for not being able to pay.

All of that has to be made up somewhere, and bilking insurance companies when they can are how they stay afloat.

Big companies can take the hit on high insurance rates. Drug makers live in boom and bust cycles (drugs are either fabulous money makers or bottomless pits that suck money from research, to testing, to the famously expensive FDA approval process).

The people hurt the worst are the small business employees and owners, the self employed, and the part time workers who can't afford to have the hospital come after them.

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#123

The prices for these drugs is ridiculous. My kids vere prescribed Ventolin this winter due smog related illnesses. Looking at price of a Ventolin inhaler (90mcg) even on Cuban's website ( https://costplusdrugs.com/medications/albuterol-90mcg-inhale... ) it costs $43 The same thing costs less than $2 in Pakistan for the Glaxo Smith Kline version. https://www.emeds.pk/ventolin

Are you going to go to Pakistan to buy it?

It's available on AllDayChemist: https://www.alldaychemist.com/asthalin-hfa-inhaler-100-mcg-2...

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#124
post #109

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> I think though that CostPlus, if nothing else, has opened the eyes of a great many people who just assumed medicine was like any other product where the manufacturer controls the price Like any other product? There are zero products like that. Manufacturers aren't legally able to control the price even if they propose a contract with a resale price clause. That's why everything has a "manufacturer's suggested retai…

I don’t know anything about the legality, but UMRP is very common.

UMRP has no legal effect. It's just a declaration by the manufacturer that "if we catch you pricing below this point, we will stop selling to you". Once you have the item, you can price it however you want.

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think though that CostPlus, if nothing else, has opened the eyes of a great many people who just assumed medicine was like any other product where the manufacturer controls the price Like any other product? There are zero products like that. Manufacturers aren't legally able to control the price even if they propose a contract with a resale price clause. That's why everything has a "manufacturer's suggested retai…

I meant the manufacturer controls the price at which they sell. Ie, if drug X costs $15 to make, and the manufacturer chooses to sell it to retailers/distributors at $2000, they are free to do that.

If that's what you meant, all those people who assumed medicine was like any other product were correct.

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#126

Either I don't understand the phrase "Vertical integration" or Mark Cuban doesn't. Cuban says "We basically created a vertically integrated manufacturing company." But, they don't do manufacturing, because later Cuban says "The manufacturers love what we're doing for that reason". They also apparently don't do the pharmacy aspect because Cuban says his company "charges a $3 pharmacy fee to pay the pharmacists it work…

It’s a startup, so it’s an iterative approach. They launched with a setup that gets them into the market fast. However, you are right in that this ain’t that big of a deal.

Pharmacies pay the acquisition price for the drugs. Then, they make up a fictitious price (called the Usual & Customary price). The U&C is intentionally very high, because it forms the basis for negotiating with pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs).

The Cuban-funded venture uses this as their price comp, calling it the “retail price”. However, the U&C price is only the retail price for one group of people: those without insurance who do not know of drug discount “cards” (nowadays mostly mobile apps such as GoodRx nowadays).

Basically, anyone with insurance or a (free) discount card will get a hefty discount on the U&C (always compare the two before using insurance, as sometimes, the “regular” discount is higher than the insurance one). Just plug some of the expensive drugs into GoodRx et al to compare and you’ll find that in some geographies, the Cuban-funded co is cheaper, while in others, it is more expensive (drug discounts vary across pharmacy geo. locations).

Pharmacies give non-PBM entities discounts bec they make money regardless. Let’s say, you start an Rx discount biz. You can go to pharmacies and negotiate a discount plus a small margin for yourself. This is how GoodRx is making (lots of) money, for example.

Now, the innovation with this new co is that previously, drug discount cards and pharmacies were usually two different parties. All they did was to partner with a mail order pharmacy, negotiate a discount (acquisition + 15% is the classic Costco pharmacy price btw), set up a website, and tell everyone “look at how much cheaper we are!”.

The future vertical integration comes from taking this a step further and partnering with generic drug makers. I also suspect that at some point, they’ll start their own pharmacy.

I’ve been waiting for GoodRx or another discount provider to bundle these 2-3 steps in the distribution chain, but they have never done this. Perhaps they worried about competing with their pharmacy customers, as their model is going wide, rather than deep, while this new Cuban-funded venture is going deep instead, partnering with a single pharmacy.

Beats me why their pharmacy partner (or other such cos) wouldn’t just start adding their own discount biz. But perhaps they’re doing that and they had other reasons to do this…

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

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post #103

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> For a person with enough money he seems to work harder than he should to obtain more and more. Some people like to max their points in videogames. Other like to max their $ in real life. The beauty of capitalism is that the effort of the latter end up benefiting us all.

Capitalism is what got America into its health care mess. Other countries aren't paying thousands for simple pills or insulin.

When has the US had a Capitalist market for healthcare?

The US has a particularly horrible hyper regulated, government shielded, cartel-based healthcare system and has for decades - the time during which its healthcare costs have skyrocketed out of control.

The US could hardly be further away from Capitalism in how its healthcare system is structured.

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

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post #82

Either I don't understand the phrase "Vertical integration" or Mark Cuban doesn't. Cuban says "We basically created a vertically integrated manufacturing company." But, they don't do manufacturing, because later Cuban says "The manufacturers love what we're doing for that reason". They also apparently don't do the pharmacy aspect because Cuban says his company "charges a $3 pharmacy fee to pay the pharmacists it work…

it seems manufacturing is on the todo list. https://khn.org/morning-breakout/mark-cuban-unveils-plan-to-...

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Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#129

On one hand, we should obviously applaud anyone doing anything to bring down drug prices. On the other hand, I'm increasingly uncomfortable with just how much free marketing and PR is being applied to the "Mark Cuban Pharmacy" without much critical examination of what's going on here. Taking one of the examples straight from their homepage: They will sell you 30 Prozac tablets for $3.90: https://costplusdrugs.com/med…

> Except nobody should actually be paying $22.80 for generic Prozac. You can drive to any local Walmart and get it for $4 and they will bill your insurance, which will count toward your deductible. Except people can, and do, all the time. Source: they lady in front of me at the pharmacy counter today, who didn't want any "risky generics".

Generics are like no name brands who fight on price. Quality can be different. Usually it doesn't matter but I've seen some cause headaches in some people where the original brand doesn't have that side effect.

Re: Mark Cuban's pharmacy started with a cold email

#130
post #3

Mark Cuban isn't doing anything Novel here, there were other pharmacies already doing this for years. My family has been using honeybee health for a couple years now and there's blink health and others (no affiliation with these companies)

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