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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW »

freeone3000 wrote: post #95
SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW wrote: post #91

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give us a source on that 80% truckers are protesting the mandates so people can do what they want live or die on their own terms thats what your last sentence is saying then so you agree?

Source: https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2022-01-14/montreal/le-dele... And no, I don't agree. I'm for a universal vaccination mandate. The government isn't, however. The spokeswoman talking to CBC actually wouldn't answer any questions about their protest or goals, so all I have is speculation as to what they actually want.

no mandates

its literally on every truck

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by finnx »

mikeyouse wrote: post #51
colpabar wrote: post #46

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What swastikas?

These truckers (and most antivaxxers) somehow think they're as stigmatized as the Jews were during WWII so they often wear yellow stars, compare themselves to Anne Frank, and have signs with the SS moniker / draw swastikas over the flags to demonstrate how oppressed they are.. a few made it on TV while the MP was talking to the news crews. Whenever there's anything remotely anti-government the Gadsen/Confederate batt…

One of those photographs you posted found[1] to be taken by personal photographer of Trudeau and most of them taken away from protesters.

This[2] is one example how protesters react when they try to infiltrate the actual crowd.

[1]: https://twitter.com/stobione/status/1489320295764660228

[2]: https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1488325761572478981

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by DonHopkins »

miohtama wrote: post #19
nxmnxm99 wrote: post #15

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I'm fairly ignorant of crypto, but wouldn't exchanges hold similar power?

Peer-to-peer cryptocurrencies do not need intermediates. For governance, one can use smart contracts. This is why things like ConstituionDAO can happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConstitutionDAO If it’s good or not is another topic, but it is definitely possible to skip banks and other middlemen.

Funny how just hours ago, rosndo was just falsely claiming that "That low-effort shilling hardly exists on HN", and then there you go.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30194128

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by MatteoFrigo »

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #108
Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

So you arrest them all. Now they can’t drive away the trucks in downtown Ottawa. You just exhausted all your leverage with them when you decided to throw the book at them. You call a tow truck driver. They say “I don’t have a class 3 tow truck, there’s no way I can move a semi.” You call a class 3 tow truck driver. They know they’re risking their reputation with the trucking industry, so they refuse. If they’re the t…

For a chuckle, here is a tow-truck operator commenting on this exact situation: https://rumble.com/vtwtvi-tow-truck-operator-refuses-to-assi...

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Post by colpabar »

DonHopkins wrote: post #118
colpabar wrote: post #110

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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

Are you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?

No, I tried to make my comment thoughtful and hoped someone would want to engage with it so maybe we could learn something.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

kangaroozach wrote: post #80
manquer wrote: post #50

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There are peaceful ways to protest and expressing oneself, occupying a city this way and stealing food from a homeless shelter is not one of them that should be tolerated. Edit: See my comment below for sources on homeless shelter

Stealing food? Can you cite that?

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/convoy-protesters-...

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by enchiridion »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #100
enchiridion wrote: post #87

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Small nit-pick, it is disingenuous to write “Gadsen/Confederate” flag when those are two totally separate things. The Gadsen flag for most people is a symbol of independence and freedom. Historically it was not associated with slavery, the confederate secession, or the civil war.

I'd say that's a major distinction, not a minor nitpick at all.

Gotta assume best intentions, everyone doesn’t know about everything :)

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Post by BizarroLand »

colpabar wrote: post #125
DonHopkins wrote: post #118

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Are you trying to say that there are "very fine people on both sides"?

No, I tried to make my comment thoughtful and hoped someone would want to engage with it so maybe we could learn something.

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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by BizarroLand »

causality0 wrote: post #61
bawolff wrote: post #28

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I'm not following the whole thing but i think part of the controversy is the person collecting the money is suspected to have run off with it or suspected to intend to run off with it, or something. Regardless, i doubt people waving swastikas and demanding that democratic leaders be replaced with a dictatorship is exactly the type of "standing up to government" gofundme envisioned.

It baffles me why people continue to judge movements they don't like based on their worst members and movements they do like based on their best intentions. I don't agree with their position but most of the truckers aren't Nazis any more than most BLM participants were looters.

If the group you're in pulls out Nazi flags and you don't leave the group, then you're endorsing Nazism the same as if your group starts to break into a house and you don't leave the group then you're an accessory to breaking into a house.

It's very basic stuff here.

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by sensen7 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #111
prepend wrote: post #105

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Those first three images seem pretty unequivocally using nazi imagery to critique Canada. So they aren’t Nazis, they are people complaining that Canada is acting like Nazis. I haven’t followed this but have heard friends saying that Nazis are participating. I would expect that this means some Nazis were participating. But these images don’t show that. The confederate flags just seem like jerks.

Which is why he said "waving swastikas", not "being Nazis". But yes, Nazis are getting involved with the anti-vax protests, on the same side as Trump, not on Science's side. In Germany’s east, far-right extremists find footholds in escalating anti-vaccine protests: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/30/coronavirus-... >While Kohlmann contends that Free Saxons is not an extremist group, German authorities sa…

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