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Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by archagon »

nonethewiser wrote: post #86
slg wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many on HN constantly seem to imply that the polarization and politicization of the pandemic was caused by the media, scientists, public health officials or anyone else but the last president and many people in his administration. They were immediately trying to shift blame to anyone but themselves. It was the "China virus" from pretty much day 1. He was literally cros…

I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many think Trump was the source of the polarization and not a reaction to it.

Yes, maybe you are taking crazy pills.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by archagon »

slg wrote: post #78
buscoquadnary wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I saw it the other way around, when it was first came out the future was uncertain, and there was a lot of confusion the only data we had was untrusted reports from China, I saw a lot of people band together, people looking out for on another general expressions of concern. There were politics involved but it was relatively mild, and ignored by many people it was about two or three months in when much of the…

I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many on HN constantly seem to imply that the polarization and politicization of the pandemic was caused by the media, scientists, public health officials or anyone else but the last president and many people in his administration. They were immediately trying to shift blame to anyone but themselves. It was the "China virus" from pretty much day 1. He was literally cros…

Propaganda works, unfortunately — especially on people who self-identify as smart.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by ashwagary »

errcorrectcode wrote: post #96
monkmartinez wrote: post #79

I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right. Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here. Anecdote time; I re…

Police around the US are in a similar boat with low morale and resignations. This is how civilization could end: abuse and neglect of essential services, people divided and acting like idiot children, ignoring self-preservation, ready to fight each other over rumors and conspiracy theories, and corrupt and under-communicative political system and leadership. That's problems of communication (Vaccines: You can get pre…

People are lucky these cards are so easy to duplicate. It's the only reason many Americans still have some bodily autonomy in the face of pharma and govts colluding in suspicious ways.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by slg »

yucky wrote: post #117
slg wrote: post #99

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>It is interesting you say that because the first notice I saw of it starting to get politicized was people calling Trump racist for attempting to placing a travel ban from/to China, Trump has a history of xenophobia. The China ban was viewed as a second Muslim ban. It also appeared to be disconnected from the facts at the time because it was neither a full ban and was only singling out China. So it was clearly going…

>The China ban was viewed as a second Muslim ban. ...which was also misrepresented in the media. They literally used the same countries the Obama Administration had put on their list with the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.[1] Also, the majority of countries on the list weren't Muslim, and the majority of Muslim countries weren't on the list. [1] https://townhall.com/tipsh…

The list of countries was less important the the universal nature of the Muslim ban. It was kind of the opposite of the China ban. When it comes to disease, we need to act decisively and universally with care not create loopholes that allow people to pass through. When we are talking about terrorism, banning an entire country doesn't make sense. There has to be some type of vetting for exceptions.

The Muslim ban included people who had already been living in the US for years. These are people who have lives, families, and jobs here. But if they happened to be outside the US when the ban went into effect, they couldn't reenter the country. If they already were in the country, they couldn't leave. They couldn't have their friends or family from back home visit them. There is no logic to a ban of that scale when it comes to preventing terrorism. That is the type of universal ban one creates to stop a pathogen. Except the China ban was full of holes and thousands of Chinese nationals continued to travel to the US. That isn't a plan based on science.

The motivations for both these moves was not rationale. Considering they both came from the same person, a person who has a long documented history of other bigoted actions, his critics connected them with the shared thread of xenophobia.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by TMWNN »

slg wrote: post #102
monkmartinez wrote: post #79

I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right. Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here. Anecdote time; I re…

>They were told they were getting a vaccine... their definition of vaccine doesn't include still getting the disease, but just a little less sever (which, incidentally has NOT been the case for a lot of them). That doesn't make sense to them or me if I am being honest. Hasn't this always been the case with the flu shot which I imagine many if not most people in a retirement home have been getting for years?

Flu shots have been around for years, and by now people understand that the effectiveness greatly varies each year, but never being anywhere close to 100%.

COVID19 vaccines, on the other hand, were (contrary to today's frantic efforts to pretend otherwise) always sold as being a) >90% protection and b) ending the pandemic once enough people were vaccinated.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by keneda7 »

errcorrectcode wrote: post #108
listless wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What data is there to show that vaccines reduce the spread? Hospitalization, yes. Spread? Not anymore!

Unpopular observation: if an ebola-deadly, vaccine-effective variant comes along, it would hopefully wipe out enough of those who are too dumb to take care of themselves or impetuously refuse vaccines. Modern life and medicine is too safe to select for common sense or intelligence.

Have you even considered that this is what many people who have not taken the vaccine are waiting for? They are going to go get the vaccine when this deadly strains comes out.

It is no secret MRNA vaccines do not last. It was known before COVID and no miraculous break through occurred that fixed this this issue they have. Previous MRNA vaccines applicants also showed you cannot just keep reinjecting yourself every x months. It causes a whole host of problem including weakening your immune system (EU recently rewarned about this for the Covid one).

So its seems the people not vaccinated will have an option to actually get protected, not so much for those that have taken it already though.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by jrs235 »

codyb wrote: post #42
hammock wrote: post #2

Is it really a public health nightmare? What data is there to show that vaccine passports are effective at reducing spread or hospitalizations?

I for one really enjoy the vaccine mandate in NYC. I feel much more comfortable knowing that if I catch it going out (seems likely), I'll be unlikely to spread it to anyone unvaccinated causing serious disease. Of course I'm also boosted and got my flu shot (and do it every year), so I'm probably already more conscientious living in NYC than many. If someone uses a fake to get in... well... there's only so much I can…

>If someone uses a fake to get in... well... there's only so much I can do, but I discourage it for their own health and for the health of others around them.

I think you're conflating getting a vaccine card with getting the vaccine.

Re: Fake vaccine cards are everywhere. It’s a public health nightmare

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Post by jrs235 »

codyb wrote: post #66
Axien wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So someone else’s freedoms should be limited so you can feel “comfortable”?

Lol, yes. If people want to eat at restaurants unvaccinated in NYC they have a variety of options. They can eat outside in the stalls which often have heat and shields against the wind. They can order at home and eat with their friends who want to take that risk. Going to a concert so you can more likely catch and spread a highly infectious virus and become more sick and hospitalized isn't some constitutional right.…

Why not allow businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.) to decide if they want to allow unvaccinated customers (or not)? That's their business. If you don't want to visit businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.) that allow unvaccinated customers then don't go to those businesses (and concerts and plays and etc.). That's your business.
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