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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by xcjs »

Arnavion wrote: post #116
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #13

I experienced something similar building an internal tool on GSuite. I had a large file with sequences of 9 digit numbers specific to our use-case, all tied to names of people (employees). Whelp, at one point the tool I was working on stopped working, and it was flagged as apparently containing social security numbers (which I suppose matched the character length). Whelp, on the admin panel, you can get a report of t…

This is another case for only pushing encrypted files to storage hosts, unless it's against Google Drive's TOS or something. Has anyone tried it? Did Google complain?

I have an Enterprise Gsuite account with 50 TB of encrypted data for around 5 years (this was of course prior to the rebranding). I've had no complaints from Google so far.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tyingq »

tyingq wrote: post #15

I'm curious if it was related to the file name. I created a few 1-byte files with just "1" in them, with different names, including "output04.txt". No problems so far. Also uploaded variations with "\n" and "\r\n" after the "1". And enabled sharing to anyone with the link. No issues so far. Google drive does support metadata like a description and comments. I wonder if someone posted some copyrighted text in a commen…

Update: It has now flagged the file with "0\n" in it.

So it's official, Both 0 and 1 are copyrighted :)

https://imgur.com/a/xMgh6Xn

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by vmception »

onion2k wrote: post #4

If Google has the copyright on "1", they only need to get "0" as well and they'll have everything.

Here is a joke that relies on the assumption that the platform is suggesting they own the copyright, instead of someone else that isn't the user.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by cgrealy »

trhway wrote: post #77
blunte wrote: post #61

Ironically, it may end up being one of these "tiny" scenarios which finally does Google in. When trying to illustrate a problem or bug, one of the typically time consuming challenges is reducing the scenario to the minimal case which illustrates the problem. So thank you, @emilyldolson! Aside from an empty file, you cannot reduce this any further. It brings to light in simple terms that non-techies can understand how…

> "tiny" scenarios which finally does Google in Danger of tiny scenarios - I expect that Google like any BigCo will try files containing only 2, 3, 7 - no bug, ok, and then push the fix like this if (l = read(file) ; l == "1") ... else

Given it's almost certainly a ruleset generated by an ml agent, it's more likely to be a change in the training data.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by tyingq »

onion2k wrote: post #4

If Google has the copyright on "1", they only need to get "0" as well and they'll have everything.

Already there, I made some test files. The ones with "1", "1\n", and "0\n" are all now flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30063319

So, "someone" has them copyrighted.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by coliveira »

zerocrates wrote: post #52
tyingq wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I agree with it, but here's the FBI view: "Not only can the violation of intellectual property rights damage the economy, it also poses serious health and safety risks to consumers, and often times, it fuels global organized crime." https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip... No helpful detail on why it's not safe.

Since they went wide with "intellectual property rights" there, the references to health and safety are probably more in the realm of trademark and maybe patent... think counterfeit drugs. You can probably gin up a copyright example from, I dunno, the DRM system on some medical device or something, though that's obviously not the real focus of their copyright enforcement work.

But drug safety is not an issue of copyright, but of physical control of medications. You don't need to break the copyright of a drug to create and distribute fake medication.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by fsflover »

notyourwork wrote: post #85
leokennis wrote: post #62

15 years ago the first word that came to mind when thinking of Google was “magic”. 10 years ago “useful”. These days it’s just “dread”.

I think dread is a bit over dramatic. I still find utility in Google Maps and GMail. Some products in the Google domain are heading that way but I don't dread Google I treat them as a business with respect to my coupling to them on a case by case basis. I used to be a Google first, now I am one to look at all options and decide if its worth coupling something else in my life to Google. In many cases its not worth it…

> I still find utility in Google Maps and GMail.

Concerning the maps, try https://openstreetmap.org

Concerning the GMail, see this:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30051054

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by hetspookjee »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

I think the most likely outcome is much like the services they offer to help with settling airplane ticket compensation. I presume most of them are actually in service of the airplane operators.

Imagine a device that indeed offers to help small time companies in resolving the issues with big tech. The business case will eventually come up to just buy them up and slowly drain their effectivity, while upping the rate tremendously and being able to - if any - strike up the compensation dishes out by big tech. Pardon my cynism but I sometimes look at the airflight industry as the equilibrium of a race to the bottom. With big tech we’re not there yet

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