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Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by kzrdude »

TillE wrote: post #84
trwired wrote: post #52

This is not related directly to the announcement, but touches on a thing that infuriates me to no end - for some reason the site assumed that because I live in the EU and relatively close to German border, I speak German and presented the site in that language. Despite my high-school teacher's heroic efforts, I can at best understand a few basic phrases. I didn't even know what to click in the cookie pop-up to kindly…

Google is particularly bad about this, they basically make it impossible to get normal English-language results if you're in another country, unless you mess with the URL parameters (gl=us). Like if you're in Germany, you can set Google's language to English, but you're gonna get mainly German results for any search. A bizarre choice.

It's myopic by google. I speak more than one language, "belong" to more than one country, but google makes it very hard to find relevant results that are not narrowed-down to the country I'm in right now.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by smoldesu »

yurishimo wrote: post #63
capableweb wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, you're right! Didn't understand how you could not have a reverse T for the arrow keys and took a look at the pictures. The up/down keys are split in half?! Why'd you make the arrow keys have different sizes?!

It was the design on MacBook's for almost 5 years. Apple rolled that change back in late 2020 but it will take other OEM's a while to update their available SKUs to match the Apple of today.

My ex-boyfriend called me "insane", but I genuinely prefer ye olde 6-key arrow cluster from the Thinkpads of yore. I quickly got used to browsing with pgup and pgdown, now any keyboard without those keys adjacent to the arrows just feels wrong to me.

In any case, the keyboard on the Framework is fully replaceable. If there's significant enough demand for an inverted-T cluster, you can bet there are people who will make the replacement for it (if OEM doesn't get to it first).

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by laputan_machine »

polar wrote: post #115
laputan_machine wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree, examples in the blog are poo. English comes from... England... why shouldn't be represented with an English flag? Spainish comes from... Spain... why shouldn't be represented with a Spanish flag? There are Spanish speakers in literally every country in the world, what is the solution? The Hindi argument is not good, Hindi is the _official_ language of India. I work with people from various parts of India an…

> Hindu is the _official_ language of India Hindi, not Hindu. Also, Hindi is not the only official language of India.

Thanks! It was a typo, I've corrected it

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by ohazi »

I've been so happy to see what Framework has been doing lately, and really want to support them, but I already have a desktop as my primary computer and two Thinkpads that are already set up nicely, but that I rarely use. I moved from 15" laptops to 14" when Lenovo added the numpad on the larger variant, and 14" is about as small as I want to go.

I kind of want to buy a framework though, just to support them? But I have no use for another laptop, let alone a small 12" one! Should I get one anyway because, what the hell, why not? Should I wait and then jump on one if/when they release a larger model?

Anybody else have similar feelings?

Edit to add:

I also have one of the last Thinkpad models that support S3 sleep (T480 -- within a model or two, I think?), which is currently super critical for Linux... I need to be able to close the lid and come back after a week.

It's easy to blame the manufacturers for this, but the consistent answer seems to be "Intel's Tiger Lake platform does not support S3 sleep," and all of the system builders base their work on what Intel's reference platform does. So short of going to extreme effort to hack it together themselves (something that is likely not their specialty), reasonable sleep behavior is not going to be an option unless Intel brings S3 back, or does work to improve the S0ix states.

I absolutely do not want to support the no-more-S3 clusterfuck right now.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by anyfoo »

brightball wrote: post #10
kingcharles wrote: post #6

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I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

Yea, it’s always a struggle. UI wise it clearly looks better to use flags and people know what it’s for when they see it. There’s always people who complain about it though. I’m of the opinion to not worry about it and just use the flags. It’s enough effort to properly internationalize a site and keep it maintained. That it’s available at all is a huge effort. Debating flags vs a drop down with languages is nitpickin…

As someone who grew up multilingually in Europe but now lives in the US and works for a US company (which seems to get localization right), I have the impression you don't really know the confusion and difficulties that arise from what you are saying.

To explain, let's turn it around. Assuming you also live in the US, imagine a EU company would make the following assumptions that are common (to the point of feeling entirely "natural") in lots of European countries, but wrong in the US, and think about how that could impede you in varying business situations:

* There is only one time zone in a given country.

* VAT and other sales taxes are the same over the whole country (and therefore just included in the display price).

* Every debit card, credit card etc. has a PIN, and a common API to the bank for card/bank-specific verification.

* Every bank account is identified by IBAN, even across countries. Wiring money is always free.

* Decimal separator is universally "," and grouping is ".". (Bonus: Let's instead be in an Asian country where it's common to group digits by 4 instead of 3.)

* Dates are always either in order "DD MM YYYY" or ISO YYYY-MM-DD. In the case the year is omitted, "DD MM" is assumed and no clarification is ever made. Your appointment is 4.5., thanks for doing business with us! Sincerely yours, noreply@example.com.

* Car-related business: You have to be at least 18 to drive a car (and have spent the equivalent of thousands of dollars and many hours of mandatory theoretical and practical training). It is illegal to drive a car more than 2 years without a thorough inspection that forces you to fix even minor things (Autobahn speeds are dangerous), so old cars are uncommon. There are special enthusiast registrations for so called "oldtimers", but that still requires extra maintenance.

* Gastronomy-related: But you're allowed to drink beer at 16 (was at least the case when I was that age), anything else 18.

* You have to use/publish your real name, address, and other information mandatorily in a lot more situations (e.g. when hosting a website of any kind--imagine a business enforcing that for all customers).

You may find that if you want to do business internationally at all, you have to start caring about those things.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by Rebelgecko »

sva_ wrote: post #118
Rebelgecko wrote: post #110

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From what I've heard battery life is much worse on Linux than Windows. If you're willing to spend some time hacking around you can close the gap a bit, but it'll still be a gap.

Personally I can't confirm this. I've recently replaced the battery on my 2014 Thinkpad, and on low brightness I get around 8h of battery. That is of course, while not doing a lot of compute (compiling). I don't think this was much higher, back when I used Windows all those years ago, so I'm not sure what people are saying with low battery with Linux? I don't see how Windows could get me much more? And why would it?

If you have a Thinkpad, then the issues with the Framework (CPU sleep states, needing to turn of secure boot to hibernate properly, power management issues in Framework BIOS 3.06, etc) wouldn't necessarily apply to your laptop

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by looperhacks »

amelius wrote: post #97
kingcharles wrote: post #6

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I agree that flag != language (British Union flag for English being a prime example), but what is the next best alternative?

> what is the next best alternative? This: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028593

This doesn't help the user choose a language. The language my browser sends to the website is not necessarily the language I want to view the webpage in.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by junon »

Note to the website developers: currency != language. I'm an American in Germany. My handle of the language isn't (yet) great, thus I still work with English primarily. However, I pay in EUR exclusively.

Just the same (not that it appears to be a problem with Framework, though it's easy to make the same mistake), country != language.

Re: Open-Sourcing our Firmware

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Post by bbojan »

philipprk wrote: post #35

Really hoping for the laptop's next iteration to have a reverse T for the arrow keys. Otherwise very solid laptop, would be my first non-Mac choice.

Because I'm down the rabbit hole of highly customized keyboards, at one point I did a frequency analysis of the keys I use the most.

Guess what was the most frequently used key? Cursor down followed by cursor up.

For example, cursor down was pressed ~2.5x more times than space, or ~4 times more than letter E, which is was the most frequently used letter.

Guess what are the smallest keys on a Mac-type keyboard (the layout also used by the Framework laptop). Cursor up and down. Madness.

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