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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by tsimionescu »

yonixw wrote: post #101
tsimionescu wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, kill…

According to the UN (since 1/1/10): [1] x18 in favor of Israelis... 220-vs-4032. Most of the Palestinians (3000) were killed in Gaza. Which bring me back to my original point. Israel gave Gaza control to the Palestinians in 2005 only to wake up the next year to find Hamas taking control and later starting to shoot rockets at Israeli civilians. All the power and support they gain only mounted to terror. I will acknowl…

Is Egypt occupying the Gaza strip, and controlling what enters the strip over water or air? Are they allowing one nationality to cross the border and not another (not that there are too many people of Jewish decent left in the Gaza strip)?

And, how is the fact that for every Palestinian terrorist Israel killed 10 civilians Palestine's fault?

Also, Israel didn't "give Gaza control to the Palestinians" in 2005, they only gave them limited self-government power. They still couldn't control their own border, didn't have access to a source of water etc. And none of the people who fled their homes in Israel during the previous wars was allowed to return home, unless they were of Jewish descent.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

snird wrote: post #106
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #105

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Even if someone were unfairly anti-Israel, why would that imply they’re also antisemitic?

If he is not being malinformed, what other reason does he have to spread lies about Israel?

Can residents of Gaza and the occupied West Bank vote in Israeli elections, when they are under Israeli rule? If the answer is no, then that's apartheid.

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Post by sergers »

samstave wrote: post #81
arminiusreturns wrote: post #56

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Anyone interested in this should lookup the PROMIS scandal, which involved Ghislane Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell.

And dont forget to look into the Maxwell Twins - the sisters of Ghislane --> They made initial DB software for the intel community for "tracking financial fraud" and other tracking... They sold this to .gov and supposedly it was in use in the early '00s - and it provided ostensibly access to tracking financial and human trafficking data.. Think of it as a precurser to palantir and such - and there was a bunch of shad…

I did google the Maxwell twins, clicking the second result.

Got about halfway through before realising wrong twins.. lol

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Post by friendlydog »

cwkoss wrote: post #117
friendlydog wrote: post #115

Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

I wish America was the sort of nation that would sanction them for using draconian surveillance of their own citizens. Unfortunately Israel is effectively politically sanction-proof - even for much more abhorrent policies and actions.

Israel is the 3rd largest recipient of US foreign aid receiving 3.2 Billion in US tax dollars in 2017 with only Iraq and Afghanistan receiving more. Reducing foreign aid while America is floundering would be a small step to the road of recovery.

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Post by tsimionescu »

bhelkey wrote: post #116
tsimionescu wrote: post #71

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Many countries in the Middle East are islamic theocracies, so they limit religious freedom by their very constitution. However, even in Iran, a person of Jewish heritage who converts to Islam should not have any (official legal) barriers to entry in political life. In a country ruled by a church, that seems relatively reasonable.

I believe the comment was referring to 'a person of Jewish heritage' who do not convert to Islam.

Yes, but that is essentially like complaining that a Hindu believer can't become Pope. Iran is a country that, by its own constitution, is controlled by the Church. I don't agree and would hate to live in such a country, but that is their chosen form of government. I don't know of any Church that accepts people of other religions as members or especially church leadership. But, most Churches accept anyone who converts.

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Post by mandmandam »

friendlydog wrote: post #115

Israel is its own nation and it isn't America's business what it does to its own citizens. However, their tools are used on American without warrants. It would be in our interests as citizens to flag all employees of NSO as spies and try them.

You won't have to go as far as Israel to find horrific surveillance tools used on Americans ......

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Post by yonixw »

p1necone wrote: post #110
tsimionescu wrote: post #86

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Can you point any fingers? I have not heard any of the positions you mention from any leftist place I frequent - not from Jacobin, not from leftist YouTube, not from any member of "the squad" or any other leftist member of Congress. Who exactly are you accusing of being anti-Israel but pro-China?

I don't know who either but I suspect they're currently standing in a corn field with straw poking out from the ends of their sleeves ;).

Found an example pretty quick..

Please go to [1] + [2] searches, while not a big channel on YouTube, ~200K subscribers in politics is kind of big for alternative-media with the top videos getting ~500K views.

And now, please note that every video on China is something like "China is actually doing more for Climate-Change", or "Is China to Blame For Covid-19?" all suggesting China has so many good parts that we missed...

While Israel search result are all about the conflict, ".. The [Media] BIAS", ".. The Death Toll".

While Israel is dominant enough to deserve such critics. The Bias of the channel against Israel and Pro China is a spectacle to be hold.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/user/NovaraMedia/search?query=china [2] https://www.youtube.com/user/NovaraMedia/search?query=Israel

So I will now go return the straw to the barn because I can't seem to find any strawman.

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Post by [deleted] »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #107
Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

This is ignoring some minor details, like that Israel had to fight some real frigging wars over its bare existence, and is still facing a regional power that calls for its extinction. Looks like Israel isn't getting too much love, at least not here at HN. I maintain that we in Israel are still a very normal, western type society, if you take all these rather extreme circumstances into consideration (and, in addition,…

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Post by AdrianB1 »

jonny_eh wrote: post #74
Seattle3503 wrote: post #27

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Prussia. There was a period of time in history when Prussia was known for its very militaristic culture.

Got it. I was confused because I didn't catch that they were talking about the past.

In most of Europe this sentence is considered basic education (European history is part of basic education). It is in the same category as the French revolution, Napoleonic wars, etc.
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