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Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

hereforphone wrote: post #66
cmer wrote: post #59

Somewhat unrelated question that I could probably Google, but I figured it's more interesting to hear your take. Why do people on old pictures look like they're from a completely different era? They look like they're from the 1800s. Is it the camera, the clothing or did they actually look slightly different from us? Or perhaps it's just an illusion? Realistically I wouldn't expect humans' appearance to change that mu…

Aside from photo technology and clothes, there's hair and facial hair styles which make a big difference. Look at people from the 80s compared to now in color photographs for examples. People aged differently "back then" too. If you look at people in their 20s from many decades ago, possibly particularly during war eras, peopled seemed to just age faster. Soldiers in photos look nothing like baby-face soldiers from t…

I mean, look at George Lazenby in his role as James Bond; how old do you think he was?

He was 30 years old. He looks closer to his 50's if he were alive now. He was a heavy smoker and in Malboro adverts, possibly lots of tanning as well, etc. Lifestyle differences and experiences are a big factor.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by socialdemocrat »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #53
dorkwood wrote: post #16

The last photo of the man being affectionate with his young daughter is surprising to me. All my life, I've thought that men born before 1950, like my father, just didn't do that sort of thing. And yet here is a man born a hundred years earlier doing just that.

A lot of our common conceptions of the past are flat out wrong. Often deliberate fabrications for political ends. Why wouldn't fathers, in general, be affectionate? The Bible (to take a very old book) if full of fatherly affection. Take the story of Abraham and his son to be sacrificed. The story has always been shocking because the reader knows the son was so wanted and loved and empathizes. Even the prejudice isn't…

It is definitely culture. While Norway is Protestant it long been very progressive. It is the first country establishing government watchdog for protecting children’s rights. Britain is kind of infamous for strict child raising and because of the dominance of British in history they color our perception of the past.

I have several family members who lived in Britain for years back in the day. They all describe the treatment of children in ways what would horrify Norwegians.

I live in an immigrant area of Oslo with many Muslims. They are known to be more strict with children. But even they remark on how strict British is. My neighbor had her daughter on exchange in Britain and her daughter describe the host family as very strict. They are not used to that behavior from growing up in Norway.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

throwaway2331 wrote: post #68
cmer wrote: post #59

Somewhat unrelated question that I could probably Google, but I figured it's more interesting to hear your take. Why do people on old pictures look like they're from a completely different era? They look like they're from the 1800s. Is it the camera, the clothing or did they actually look slightly different from us? Or perhaps it's just an illusion? Realistically I wouldn't expect humans' appearance to change that mu…

I thought this too, until I saw the pictures in the TFA. They literally look exactly the same as people from our times. Now I look at "1800s pictures" on some search engine's images, and they look completely different. I'm gonna guess it's a mix of: doctoring/"touching up," camera, lighting, and cognizant angling/positioning of the people in question. The candid shots look like people I would see on the street. While…

Yeah there's a number of people nowadays that will dress up in period dress, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Same with films set in those times, the wardrobe department does a great job and if they would record in period cameras you wouldn't be able to tell it's a 'modern' person.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #69
cmer wrote: post #59

Somewhat unrelated question that I could probably Google, but I figured it's more interesting to hear your take. Why do people on old pictures look like they're from a completely different era? They look like they're from the 1800s. Is it the camera, the clothing or did they actually look slightly different from us? Or perhaps it's just an illusion? Realistically I wouldn't expect humans' appearance to change that mu…

Diet has changed drastically since the 1950s. Approaching 50% obesity means we are never going back.

I didn't even think of that, the average person in the US these days is a lot wider these days.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

reedjosh wrote: post #79
tagoregrtst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of our common conceptions of the past are flat out wrong. Often deliberate fabrications for political ends. Why wouldn't fathers, in general, be affectionate? The Bible (to take a very old book) if full of fatherly affection. Take the story of Abraham and his son to be sacrificed. The story has always been shocking because the reader knows the son was so wanted and loved and empathizes. Even the prejudice isn't…

I think politics are a big part, but I've been wondering a lot lately how much of this was leaded gasoline as well. Crime waves and angry parents could easily have been lead poisoning.

Don't attribute to toxins what can be attributed to malice.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by socialdemocrat »

Cool! Living in Oslo reckognize a lot of these places. Many buildings have not changed. Street layout is very similar.

A lot of downtown Oslo got built around that era.

I see Henrik Ibsen is there. He was probably not hard to capture. He walked down to the Grand Hotel every day like clockwork.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by MattConfluence »

xmprt wrote: post #119
dataengineer56 wrote: post #115

Can we not post boredpanda.com please? It's basically blogspam; anything on it will have been primarily posted elsewhere first.

Do you have an original source for this set of images? I'm curious to find the original authors or publisher.

The original photos are in the collection of Norwegian Museum of Science and Technology and can be viewed digitally at https://digitaltmuseum.no/search/?q=Carl%20St%C3%B8rmer&aq=t...

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

toastal wrote: post #90

I'm just thinking of how quiet those cities must be befoul cars

You get horseshoes and carts on cobblestones instead, plus the ever present smog of wood and coal fires, the smell of horse dung, etc.

I mean there's plenty of European 'old' city centers that are effectively inaccessible by car, doesn't mean they're quiet.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

mattlondon wrote: post #92
khazhoux wrote: post #38

Here's a street view for the 6th image (man tipping top-hat) https://goo.gl/maps/Pxh1QRzRgdn5Lrhc6

Curious - I noted the lack of cars and traffic in the old photos. There is none in Street view either! Many times in Street view for London, it is difficult to see the actual street behind the traffic...

There's likely no space for cars (e.g. parking), since it's an old city center. If there is, it's expensive. People that live in older city centers usually don't have a car, a bicycle and public transit gets them far enough.

Re: Student photographs people with hidden spy cam in the 1890s (2018)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

dragontamer wrote: post #7
cranesnakecode wrote: post #6

This is the first time I've felt like the people in old photos aren't aliens.

The change in "hat culture" is pretty incredible though. That's a LOT of hats!

That's bound to be part culture, but I think part circumstance as well - heating and insulation in houses has improved a lot since then.
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