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If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?
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1% of the population dying a preventable death is alot of bodies.
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#123In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.
My dad spent his life working in public health, including vaccinations. “Doesn’t believe in science and progress” and “very often misogynistic and racist” is how Trudeau would describe your typical villager in Asia or Africa—the people my dad spent a lifetime serving. But Trudeau’s unrelated moral crusades are utterly irrelevant to the issue of public health, and he’s deeply damaging the public health effort by trying to tie them together. This is public health 101. You don’t use health as a vehicle for ideological issues because that destroys trust. E.g. if your Muslim villager won’t see a female doctor you find a male doctor. If pregnant women in Bangladeshi villages don’t trust western educated doctors, you build referral relationships with traditional midwives. (That one is a true story.) Health is the first and last consideration.
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#124I can understand why the push for vaccines even though they don't stop spreading and catching it. They seem to improve chances of survival and lessen chances of severe disease. That said, if the government takes away benefits, then it should give back all the taxes withheld on one's salary before it does that. On another note, personally I don't see any other solution to the pandemic, other than everybody/most people…
> they don't stop spreading and catching it
Not true, they do reduce infection and spread.
> That said, if the government takes away benefits, then it should give back all the taxes withheld on one's salary before it does that.
That’s not how government, taxes or being part of civil society works at all.
> personally I don't see any other solution to the pandemic, other than everybody/most people gaining some kind of natural immunity
This is scientifically illiterate as Omicron bypasses all “natural” immunity whereas a vaccine gives stronger protection. What’s to stop future variants doing exactly the same?
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risk-of-vacci... You're right that there's no definite answer to this, but the general consensus among doctors is that it doesn't prevent the virus from spreading.
“Doesn’t prevent” isn’t the same thing as “doesn’t reduce”.
No one really knows, actually, and the reduction (if it's there) could be marginal.
OTOH, the measures that are being implemented for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated are out of proportion based on the evidence we have.
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#126I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.
Vaccines reduce spread because of lower viral load. Also reduces severity. Antivaxxers can be execrated for all I care - dumbest way to enforce your freedom
> Vaccines reduce spread because of lower viral load. Also reduces severity.
And yet, case counts have never been higher than now, a year into vaccines and infections.
Ah, but Omicron you may say. Well doesn’t that imply that the vaccine isn’t terribly effective against that strain? Yet the answer seem to be “just keep getting more injections of the same vaccine formulation.”
Perhaps one or more of our fundamental assumptions are wrong. Maybe the vaccines aren’t actually that effective (Israel is on dose number 4 within a calendar year…). Or maybe PCR tests cranked to an absurd number of cycles aren’t actually detecting what we think they are (an actual infection versus some dead cells in the nasal passage).
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#127It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?
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#128We have systems in place for people who want to refuse standard vaccinations: live in a religious enclave like the Amish. You don't want to participate in our society? Then don't participate in our society. Go be Amish and see how that works out for you.
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> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.
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Omicron, which is incredibly infectious, came along after the vaccines did, ergo the infection rate went up after the vaccines were introduced. The two factors have nothing to do with each other though.
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My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…
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There's no evidence that vaccination is hampering immune response.
Among those infected with Omicron, hospitalization and intensive care rates are much higher in unvaccinated...