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A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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Good points made in the article. Siloed services like Slack, etc. do have an advantage that you don’t get SPAM. I prefer E-mail and SMS person to person communication but there is the SPAM…

Most people in my family and closest friends prefer SMS, even texting large image and video files (not really what the protocol was designed for, right?). Anyway, I tend to use what my people use.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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E-Mail is one of the last remaining federated systems on the Internet, but I doubt it will survive long as the large players slowly sabotage it. I think already more than 90 % of all e-mails are delivered by three or four large companies, which is a trend that will continue.

They have been trying to sabotage it for two decades, they can't because it is distributed.

Just like HTTP/1.1 can't be deprecated because too much infrastructure depends on it.

These protocols are simple and as complexity fails we all need to go back to them!

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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In the Netherlands we do have an inbox from the government ("Berichteninbox" which is optional, the alternative is snailmail), it's coupled to the Digital ID system (DigiD), both are apps and webservices. You can use DigiD to access information on your pension, or healthcare insurance etc. The inbox can be (optionally) coupled to many government organizations and you receive information on taxes for example. I like t…

Using Berichtenbox is a liability. Once you activate the thing, all sorts of (semi-)government communication goes there, but you can't forward it or download it via an open API. You have to use their smartphone app or webapp. The notifications you can set up to a normal email address invariably only say that institution X sent you a message, but never specify the topic. That means you have to login to see if it is ac…

Yeah, it does seem pretty bad indeed, especially for older or less tech inclined people. What would be a better solution? Perhaps Estonia's system. I guess many countries are starting their own experiments, in 10 years we may know what works well and what doesn't.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #122

E-Mail is one of the last remaining federated systems on the Internet, but I doubt it will survive long as the large players slowly sabotage it. I think already more than 90 % of all e-mails are delivered by three or four large companies, which is a trend that will continue.

They have been trying to sabotage it for two decades, they can't because it is distributed. Just like HTTP/1.1 can't be deprecated because too much infrastructure depends on it. These protocols are simple and as complexity fails we all need to go back to them!

But HTTP is client/server whereas e-mail is server/server (or client/server/server/client). Small independent server operators are at the mercy of the large companies as those can just stop processing their e-mails (which they already often do). That's different for HTTP (though gatekeeping happens there too via discoverability and other mechanisms).

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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I do hope that web 3 brings a DNS service that can be bought once and owned forever that nobody can tear even from your cold dead hands. I'm not holding my breath though.

If there is a problem that web3 and blockchain can’t solve I’ve yet to hear about it.

On the contrary, I'd say I haven't yet heard of a problem that web3 and blockchain can solve better than other technologies.

There are a lot of problems for which you can create solutions that involve web3 and blockchain but that doesn't mean that technology is necessary nor sufficient to solve those problems, nor that it is the best solution (or a good solution, at least).

Web3 and blockchain do solve a number of problems in the specific scenario that you want to collaborate within domains controlled by the blockchain with individuals you actively distrust, though. With the obvious caveats that you have to trust the blockchain itself (which both in PoS and PoW means trusting people with sufficient wealth to control large portions of the infrastructure) and that everything you want to do has to be within domains controlled by the blockchain (whether the actual problems within that domain benefit from this or not).

So in a sense the question becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice to be able to solve that class of problems instead of redefining the problem so it doesn't require a blockchain.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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Let’s hope that email remains a “simple” protocol (envelopes are plaintext with some encoding, transmission is simple enough to do over Telnet) instead of something more complicated whose standards are drafted and maintained by the FAANG cabal.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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I’m not convinced that XMPP is actually such a great protocol. (I used it for many years.)

Do we know how great the centralized protocols are?

AFAICT there’s no better secure IM protocol than Signal’s.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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post #125

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If there is a problem that web3 and blockchain can’t solve I’ve yet to hear about it.

On the contrary, I'd say I haven't yet heard of a problem that web3 and blockchain can solve better than other technologies. There are a lot of problems for which you can create solutions that involve web3 and blockchain but that doesn't mean that technology is necessary nor sufficient to solve those problems, nor that it is the best solution (or a good solution, at least). Web3 and blockchain do solve a number of pr…

I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.

Re: A realization of why email is critical infrastructure for the Internet

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I really hope that we end up moving back towards supporting open protocols. I was heartened (and a little surprised) that Jack Dorsey recently mentioned that the draconian control of the Twitter API was the worst thing Twitter had done [1]. The corporatisation of the Internet, has undone a lot of the great work that had traditionally underpinned the network. It feels like the slow, laborious and fundamentally equitab…

It really is about incentives. When the government and universities were the primary agents influencing the internet, open protocols were favored I presume because they incentivized the decentralization that the internet was created for. Now private corporations are the primary agents of change, and they are driven by very different incentives. When was the last time you heard of a company based around open protocols…

I'm quietly confident that it will. Much in life seems to follow the movement of a pendulum.

I appreciate how the tide turned, but societies appetite changes over time; and the fact is, open protocols are not anti-profit, or anti-business.

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