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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by nradov »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #105
standardUser wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…

In the US, hospitals aren't legally allowed to turn away non vaccinated people due to EMTALA. Also note that there is no 100% reliable way for hospitals to determine a particular patient's vaccination status.

https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMT...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by DrHilarius »

standardUser wrote: post #49
Amezarak wrote: post #10

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The question ever since it became clear that this coronavirus was endemic has been what a "manageable end game" is: that is, what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept, given that deaths from Covid will never be zero. This is, in my opinion, the primary underlying disagreement. Some people think that no amount of deaths from Covid is acceptable. Some people believe that even the peak pandemic mortalit…

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

> The primary concern from day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems.

This is clearly not the case for the vast swaths of our public health institutions who have supported and eagerly carried out mass terminations of healthcare workers who refuse the Covid vaccines.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by daenz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #118
daenz wrote: post #96

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And here's the impact of how we've treated children during the pandemic: >The pandemic then brought on physical isolation, ongoing uncertainty, fear and grief. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers quantified that toll in several reports. They found between March and October 2020, emergency department visits for mental health emergencies rose by 24% for children ages 5-11 years and 31% for children a…

Zero of those mental health emergencies were due to the death of a loved one, right? It's all because of masks in schools and whatnot?

It seems like you're skimming the content because you have a pre-conceived notion of what you want to be true. Both links explicitly mention social isolation and loneliness as being driving forces in the negative mental health impacts.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by DrHilarius »

guimplen wrote: post #86
standardUser wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

I think the real problem is that in most countries the healthcare system was "optimized" to such extent that even seasonal flu was almost clogging it every year. And now SURPRISE, any disease, even a tad bit more deadly and contagious than the seasonal flu would make it collapse. TOTALLY UNEXPECTED.

As always, the standard gimmick of neoliberalism is to pin the blame for the collateral damage of its policies on the relatively powerless people who refuse its self-serving "solutions."

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by tomwojcik »

chana_masala wrote: post #97
lern_too_spel wrote: post #57

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The policy question this answers is whether to vaccinate children who have previously been infected, not whether to vaccinate children who have never been infected. The best decision for the latter group remains vaccination.

Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

Without a reputable source for these claims you're just spreading misinformation.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by [deleted] »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #105
standardUser wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by beefman »

daenz wrote: post #37
disambiguation wrote: post #32

We're going to look back on our treatment of children these past 2 years as one of the greatest blunders in the history of public health policy.

We sacrificed the mental health of the young for the physical health of the old.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where's the evidence that any public health measure adversely affecting children worked any benefit to the old?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by tomp »

ceejayoz wrote: post #69
daenz wrote: post #37

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We sacrificed the mental health of the young for the physical health of the old.

My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

> My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents.

Hopefully that's not something you could spare them with.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by beefman »

TeeMassive wrote: post #61

Serious question: should we let this more infectious but less dangerous run its course to achieve natural immunity? What are the arguments for and against this strategy? I know that if it is 5 times less likely to put people in hospitals but 10 times more transmissible then there will be 2 times more people in hospitals, but are there more arguments?

Who's "we" and what makes you think they have any control over the matter?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by zaat »

Reichhardt wrote: post #106
standardUser wrote: post #49

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The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Wes…

I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.
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