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Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by throwawayacc2 » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #44

It has always been like that on Tinder. My phone number can't create a new account for example (never receive the confirmation code). That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) But they are not 100% wrong, Tinder is not here to make people meet each other. They are here to make money and people don't pay because they…

> That's called shadowban in the case of OP.

I’d call that fraud. If you pay for a service you get to use the service.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by Sosh101 » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

tejohnso wrote: post #117

Sosh101 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has nothing to do with Big tech. If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, that used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now. EDIT: It seems I misunderstood this statement. I read it as "If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, [not using twitter] used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now" I don't understand your reasoning here. You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service f…

> You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service for some aspect of life now(I agree, unfortunately) Tinder being a "vital service" sounds absurd.

They stated " If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, that used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now.", which if I understand them correctly means that it's hard to meet people without it. Perhaps you don't need to meet anyone, but for someone who does I don't think it's that absurd.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by josephcsible » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #57

newyankee wrote: post #24

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Moreover Tinder has an incentive to keep the paid users paid my making sure it is difficult for them to find a match. The most lucrative customers for matchmaking sites are the most desperate. Even with a lot of competition due to network effects most of the people would always be driven to the most popular sites.

Banning a paying user seems counterproductive though?

Tinder didn't stop charging him when they banned him.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by sepnax » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:56 PM UTC

tejohnso wrote: post #117

Sosh101 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This has nothing to do with Big tech. If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, that used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now. EDIT: It seems I misunderstood this statement. I read it as "If you want to meet people don't use Tinder, [not using twitter] used to work well in the past, it very rarely works now" I don't understand your reasoning here. You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service f…

> You're suggesting that tinder is a vital service for some aspect of life now(I agree, unfortunately) Tinder being a "vital service" sounds absurd.

Do you not think that reproduction is a basic need?

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by Narretz » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #80

sbst32 wrote: post #71

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>> That's called shadowban in the case of OP. Bumble started doing the same practices a year ago (which makes sense as they have the same founder) Not arguing with the point you're making, but Bumble and Tinder founders are definitely not the same.

The founder of Bumble is one of the founders of Tinder. But others founders of Tinder are not founders of Bumble, this is true. Also we could argue that Bumble has two founders, but this is insignificant anyway

Maybe they confused Bumble with all the other apps / services that are under the Match branch: Tinder, Match.com, plentyoffish, OkCupid ...

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by Justsignedup » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

What this is:

- no due process

- no way to reverse their decision

- no way to appeal their decision

they are judge, jury, and executioner

And this is fine, unless you are a company providing a what would now be considered a critical service to the public (even if for pay).

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by lotsofpulp » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

alias_neo wrote: post #107

vmception wrote: post #28

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> once you know what goes on under the hood you won't ever feel like touching one of them with a ten foot pole. I love gaming the algorithm to meet hotter* people than I would meet using the apps the most intuitive way. *It's not subjective, there are profiles that attract way more attention and would either: never be shown to you, or you never shown to them.

I've never done online dating, met my wife the old-fashioned way, but, it sounds like you're saying the network is making the choice of who should be matched/together, before they get the chance to decide for themselves? If that's true, how anyone thinks that isn't totally fucked is beyond me. I mean, I'm seriously, deeply concerned by this notion more than the usual privacy, data etc that big tech concerns me with,…

It works the same way in old fashioned setups. Barring exceptional knowledge of two peoples’ compatibility, someone looking to introduce two people to each other would propose a setup between two similarly attractive, educated, income/wealth level people.

Otherwise, the matchmaker ends up losing reputation and participants trust them less due to higher chances of failure. It works the same way in business relationships too.

A broker’s value is in increasing the probability of transactions closing by restricting the pool of candidates to those likelier to close. Otherwise, they have no value.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by vmception » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

999900000999 wrote: post #106

By far the best part is they didn't automatically cancel his subscription. What a horrible company, if you've banned my account that's fine but cancel the subscription and refund my money. If y'all haven't looked at it yet, read up on the FCC's filing against Match. They knowingly prompt up tons of fake profiles, to get you engaged. Horrifically this has lead to romance scams being the number one source of fraud in t…

> When I actually meet someone, It was always someone who is in their mid-20s to 30s without a job. In real life, everyone I've gone out with has had a decent job, due to another scary experience I don't go out with people who aren't working.

Overfitting is a modeling error in statistics that occurs when a function is too closely aligned to a limited set of data points. ... Thus, attempting to make the model conform too closely to slightly inaccurate data can infect the model with substantial errors and reduce its predictive power.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by bigwheeler » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

I just lost my IG account after having it for literally a decade. Short story: I thought my engagement was low, so I manually went through my not-very-large follower list (2400 or so) in the IG app, identified about 100 accounts that I thought were bots (accounts that were following 6000+ people), and then went to each one and removed them as a follower. I made it about 40 in when suddenly I got meaningless errors, logged out, and that was it. My account no longer exists.

All of the avenues to contact Instagram are meaningless and don’t lead anywhere. There are no actual humans anywhere that review these things. No one cares when their crap algorithm screws up and deletes your 1000 photos and memories and all the interactions you had with your friends.

The irony is I got kicked out for doing something that should be their job.

Re: Tinder just permabanned me or the problem with big tech

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Post by guerrilla » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 2:59 PM UTC

jklinger410 wrote: post #88

giantg2 wrote: post #19

This is basically the paradigm of any monopolistic or near monopolistic system. You can screw over a small minority without provoking a real response so long as you are appeasing or distracting the majority. Big tech, traditional companies, and even government.

Or it's a lack of enforcement/regulation. You really think Tinder is a monopoly? lol

Tinder is owned by Match which is a monopoly, yes. They own every dating site you've heard of.