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Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by christophilus »

pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

It’s because Zoom was a joke from a security perspective, and the Chinese angle was a bad look, too. I use Zoom only via the browser. It doesn’t solve the potential spy problem, but it does solve the “not installing malware on my machine” problem.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by rapsey »

aspaviento wrote: post #100
IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

Linux version: - some times the left arrow to move the cursor doesn't work - some times images are displayed and others not - can't have more than 4 people on screen in a video call - the scroll is completely broken - can't get out of the immersive mode without closing the process (the back arrow doesn't work) And the list goes on and on...

As a cross platform desktop app developer I hate desktop linux. So many reinventions of the wheel that you have to support. Graphics, sound, video capture, GUI is all a mess.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

> a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft Zoom had and continues to have a significant developer presence in China. Those individuals are subject to CCP coercion. There was also a time when they routed American calls through the mainland [1]. That has been fixed. But it remains excessive to cast all past criticism of Zoom as Microsoft's work. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/0…

"Zoom had and continues to have a significant developer presence in China."

So whats worse: a backdoor for China, or a giant hole for anyone interested?

I guess the latter gives us esual opportunity...

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by jimnotgym »

mrweasel wrote: post #98
IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

I must have used worse software, but not something that I can remember. The problem with Teams is that for all it’s flaws, I can pick an alternative. Clients expect Teams and are always surprised that we don’t really use it internally. Video call on Teams is actually pretty good, but everything else just seems half-baked, thrown together without a plan. The GUI is non-intuitive, basic features are unstable, absent or…

> Work for a company that doesn’t use ActiveDirectory and Exchange… well now your in for at really bad time.

Another way to think of it is that the deep integration to AD and Exchange is the major reason IT departments like Teams. The video and audio calling is fine, the chat works, although it seems to annoy Slack users. The meeting calendar syncs with Exchange. Planner boards give a simple Kanban setup. File storage with Sharepoint and Onedrive integration mean that the stored files work almost like they are on my computer.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by jimnotgym »

cloudengineer94 wrote: post #9

Still waiting for these guys to update their MacOS app, we use it in our company and it's so bad that our own team uses Slack.

Our MacOS users receive regular updates? It is an Electron app after all, it is virtually the same as Windows?

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by blahblah12 »

pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

Um, just think of what you're suggesting. At MS some department (marketing, sales, product managers, devs?) somehow coordinated a bunch of press leaks (not sure how these were even determined to be 'leaks'), made sure that media outlets collectively believed that they were problematic, and then used those leaks to influence sales?

It's a stretch to attribute to malice what can be attributable to other environmental factors. Could it be that Zoom was/is the dominant player in the video conferencing space in 2020/2021, so media outlets were keen to cover stories around Zoom? WebEx and Google Hangouts vulnerabilities have also not received as much coverage as Zoom.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by brynjolf »

stevesimmons wrote: post #86
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day they just completely fucked the ability to paste code. It worked flawlessly before and then suddenly it removes indenting, bugs out and doesn't let you exit the preformatted code block. It's so bugged, it's like they didn't even test it. They couldn't have, one day it literally worked fine and the next it was unusable and could be replicated every single time. And why there isn't the ability to just delete th…

The latest Teams bug I've encountered is an inability to write a bulleted list with more than one bullet. Each newline splits the list into a new message. No combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt + Enter worked. This changed, as in broke, around a week ago. At least for me, on Win 11. Edit: Just remembered another Teams bug from a few days ago: cut text from the middle of paragraph, paste it back in earlier in the same parag…

For me and my team CTRL+A randomly stops working for an hour. It happens every single day randomly for different members. Just mind-boggling BS every day with Teams.

My Android client randomly signs me out, sometimes multiple times per day.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by sebow »

pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

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Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by paavohtl »

rob74 wrote: post #94
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

Honestly I fail to understand why Zoom seems to have so many fans. I find the UI confusing, on my Linux machine having a call with video will lead to the CPU cooler going into overdrive, I often have to leave and re-enter calls because audio output isn't working, etc. etc.

Of all the bad solutions, Zoom is the best one. It is the only one with a native (= not a glorified web browser) client, which you can definitely feel. Both Slack's and Teams' calls bring my top-end (Intel) MBP to its knees, while Zoom is the smoothest (though absolutely not without faults).

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by markus_zhang »

stevesimmons wrote: post #86
Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day they just completely fucked the ability to paste code. It worked flawlessly before and then suddenly it removes indenting, bugs out and doesn't let you exit the preformatted code block. It's so bugged, it's like they didn't even test it. They couldn't have, one day it literally worked fine and the next it was unusable and could be replicated every single time. And why there isn't the ability to just delete th…

The latest Teams bug I've encountered is an inability to write a bulleted list with more than one bullet. Each newline splits the list into a new message. No combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt + Enter worked. This changed, as in broke, around a week ago. At least for me, on Win 11. Edit: Just remembered another Teams bug from a few days ago: cut text from the middle of paragraph, paste it back in earlier in the same parag…

Exactly. This completely frustrated me out. How many times I hit enter and sent the msg instead of creaing a new list item?

This can be remidiated by using the editor mode, albeit I found it frustrating still.

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