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2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

blhack wrote: post #44

Own a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taki…

You know what?

I'd guess that Elon, as "crazy" as he is, might have an idea or two about solving this problem (e.g. 3D-printing the part, etc).

Tweet to him. There's a tiny, tiny chance that he will respond and decide this is worth pursuing.

Edit: scratch that, I tweeted to him about it [0].

I should never miss a good opportunity to do a micro-tiny amount of good to someone else.

[0]: https://twitter.com/simon/status/1473673346583773187

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by ajross »

clouddrover wrote: post #113
ajross wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Mach-E RWD variants with the 88 kWh battery get about the same range as the Y with 77.8 kWh. That's significantly less efficient, not more.

I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money. In the end what's going to matter to most people is how far they can drive for the money they spent. You should also watch the video. Tesla's EPA range figures are inflated. You need to do range tests in the real world (like in the video) to see more practical results.

> I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money.

In response to my point that Teslas were more efficient than other cars, though. I guess I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage. If you buy a pickup instead of a sedan, do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage? Ford ships a slightly cheaper car with a significantly more expensive part. That's bad for Ford and at best a wash for the consumer (though it does cost more for electricity, that's a small pert of operating an EV). That's a disadvantage, right?

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by mleonhard »

Volvo still beats Tesla in real-world safety [0]. There is not enough data on real Tesla Model Y crashes to compare. It's possible that the Model Y will be safer than Volvo vehicles in real use.

IIHS data shows that Volvo and Subaru vehicles are the safest in their price categories.

[0] https://www.iihs.org/ratings/insurance-losses-by-make-and-mo...

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by londons_explore »

rafale wrote: post #51
londons_explore wrote: post #45

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And optionally, a car company can choose to increase that $1M number to $5M or $10M or even higher, and is then given a star rating for doing so that they can use on marketing material.

You don't have a moral case for that kind of rule though. The end doesn't justify the mean. If a drunk person drives his Chevy through a crowd and kill 10 people, why would GM pay 10 millions? Our country was built on personal responsibility and accountability as core values. This applies to businesses by extension (business = shareholders). It's better to simply mandate a certain minimum. Seat belts, backup cameras…

That's why this only applies to companies who have sold 1 million cars... The individual drunk idiot then disappears into the noise, which will apply equally to all car companies.

Consider the proposal less of a fine for each death, and more of a taxation based on death rate.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by tills13 »

nwomack wrote: post #62
tills13 wrote: post #56

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It's also insanely expensive to service. I had an Amazon van back into my parked M3. Left a small indent on the right rear quarter panel. Total cost to fix (for Amazon) was $3k CAD.

Seems normal. What are your precious vehicles? My wife’s C250 cost 10K to fix a relatively minor bumper collision.

Sounds like a racket.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by dandigangi »

richiezc wrote: post #39
dandigangi wrote: post #31

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Hope you get it soon! I assume its a standard range if its taking that long. Got my performance is less than 30 days.

Yes its a long range, they are optimizing for profit where MYP > MYLR and if your car has Full Self Driving (+$10K margin basically) they seem to be delivering those first per threads on tesla motors club.

Sounds about right. It will be worth it when you do. Amazing car. Very happy. Especially if you're a techie.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by clouddrover »

ajross wrote: post #122
clouddrover wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money. In the end what's going to matter to most people is how far they can drive for the money they spent. You should also watch the video. Tesla's EPA range figures are inflated. You need to do range tests in the real world (like in the video) to see more practical results.

> I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money. In response to my point that Teslas were more efficient than other cars, though. I guess I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage. If you buy a pickup instead of a sedan, do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage? Ford ships a slightly cheaper car w…

> I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage.

Why would I spend more money for less battery when I can spend less money for more battery? More driving range is an advantage.

> do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage?

These are EVs, not ICEs. Live in the real world, not a rhetorical one.

In any case, for EV pickups you absolutely want more battery for your money. You want it for range, you especially want it for towing range, and you also want it for vehicle to load applications:

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2021...

The Honda e and Hyundai's E-GMP platform cars (Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Genesis GV60) also support V2L:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsmQaVSYx-c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_JQCsIjtkM

Volkswagen's MEB platform cars will apparently get V2L support next year, maybe only on next year's models.

When will Teslas get V2L support?

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by ajross »

clouddrover wrote: post #128
ajross wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I didn't say the Mach-E was more efficient. I said you get more battery for your money. In response to my point that Teslas were more efficient than other cars, though. I guess I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage. If you buy a pickup instead of a sedan, do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage? Ford ships a slightly cheaper car w…

> I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage. Why would I spend more money for less battery when I can spend less money for more battery? More driving range is an advantage. > do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage? These are EVs, not ICEs. Live in the real world, not a rhetorical one. In any case, for EV pickups you absolutely want mor…

This is getting very Gishy. I'll just repeat the original point upthread and depart: Teslas (and the model Y in particular) have poor rearward visibility because of a tapered afterbody, and this was done as a deliberate design decision (one of many) that makes them the most aerodynamic cars on the market. None of that has to do with towing or V2L.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by clouddrover »

ajross wrote: post #129
clouddrover wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand "battery for your money" as an advantage. Why would I spend more money for less battery when I can spend less money for more battery? More driving range is an advantage. > do you usually claim that it has "more fuel tank for your money" when people complain about gas mileage? These are EVs, not ICEs. Live in the real world, not a rhetorical one. In any case, for EV pickups you absolutely want mor…

This is getting very Gishy. I'll just repeat the original point upthread and depart: Teslas (and the model Y in particular) have poor rearward visibility because of a tapered afterbody, and this was done as a deliberate design decision (one of many) that makes them the most aerodynamic cars on the market. None of that has to do with towing or V2L.

Teslas are not the most aerodynamic cars on the market. The Mercedes EQS is.

I think you're spending too much time with Tesla's advertising materials and not enough time with practical realities.

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