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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Icko »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #55
civilized wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps a fair point, but I don't think it's remotely comparable to the topic at hand. We're talking about Chinese-born students in America being ratted out to the Chinese government for exercising their free expression rights like model American citizens, even though they are foreigners. If I had the relevant Presidential powers, I'd offer citizenship to every one of the threatened students, and the rats would be se…

Kinda bizarre assumption that the Chinese nationals getting their education in the USA automatically want to become citizens of the USA.

Richer country, better quality of life, more personal freedoms. Not bizarre assumption at all.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

My guess is that there is not enough staff resources to ensure that all sites are compliant to the GDPR regulations so a blanket block of the EU was the most (only) cost effective solution to mitigate risk.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

thesuitonym wrote: post #98
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

We have the same problem in the US. Certain "Freedom loving" sects applaud military intervention, increased police presence, spying on citizens, and the death of any protester, peaceful or otherwise.

US embarrassments, however, have movies made about them, as opposed to burying them as deeply as possible whilst simultaneously threatening every single citizen with, essentially, removal from society, if they speak against the chosen narrative.

No country is innocent, some are, however, free (moreso, at least, enough to matter, enough to choose if the need arises).

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway894345 »

grenoire wrote: post #4
ReleaseCandidat wrote: post #2

What you get in the EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111.

I guess I'll have to keep pursuing my education within the EU.

This is a student newspaper, not actually a property of the university itself. Moreover, we’re you seriously considering ponying up tuition for a US university (most of which goes to fund a bloated administration apparatus)?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gorgoiler »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #78
fefe23 wrote: post #8

I find it highly entertaining that they talk about denying rights and then deny the whole of the EU access because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU.

> because they insist on violating their readers' privacy rights and that would be illegal in the EU. Bad assumption. Maybe an unpopular fact, but many sites simply block EU access to avoid potential legal pitfalls of navigating foreign laws. Getting the site compliant would require review from legal teams and work from (likely contracted) web developers, which is almost certainly not in the budget for a side site li…

It’s a form of purity spiral where the consensus on acceptable behaviour becomes narrower and narrower as peope try to out-compete each other on who is the most virtuous, or in this case who is the most careful about nonexistent GDPR risks.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by StevePerkins »

Majestic121 wrote: post #47
qeternity wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American living in London, I find GDPR blocks extremely annoying…but I blame GDPR. It is a well intentioned law but horribly scoped. If I were the technical staff at a regional university in the US, I wouldn’t invest in compliance with a law that in theory can issue severe penalties. I would simply block that traffic, as they and many others have done.

Compliance is easy : don't add the code that track users and you're compliant. If you do insist on tracking, make it opt out by default.

Since GDPR, I've had to implement a lot of data retention policy and "nuke" button type feature in various systems.

But as a general web consumer myself, all I've noticed is that nearly every website I visit has a banner at the bottom saying "We use cookies, click Accept". Very rarely is there some kind of "Please Don't" button. It's just tacit acceptance, or else close the browser tab to opt-out.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Zigurd »

redleader55 wrote: post #87
Zigurd wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a Republican. I was always pro choice. I was always skeptical of cops. I thought the Soviet Union and then the rump empire under Putin was dangerous. I never felt "oppressed" by standards of decency. Maybe it's not about being a Republican.

Your post supports with facts - ie. your own experience - the idea that moderate members of a group don't get oppressed, which is missing the point, in my opinion. I think the point of the parent of your post and the article is that regardless of what you believe, you should have the right to your opinion and should not be persecuted for it.

Your "persecution" is a cheap shadow of actual persecution, which was meted out to whole sexes and races under the flag of inherent superiority. That's not what the modern right is feeling. They are feeling the consequences of expressing overt racism and sexism. It is their right to do so. Nobody has taken away that right. It is everyone's right to reject racism and sexism and the people espousing it.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by nasmorn »

toxik wrote: post #110
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ~ George Orwell, 1984

Whenever you think that you’re on the outside looking in, seeing the world for what it is while others seem blind, you should reconsider your perspective. The Chinese people is not some herd of sheep without mental faculties. I wince when I see quotes like these spoken about a people of literal billions.

The Chinese people will surely not write about the Americans like this. 1984 is banned there.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gopher_space »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #16

Excellent. Supporting free thought and expression is exactly what universities are supposed to do. I don't feel they've always done so sufficiently in recent years, but it's great to see them taking a stand here.

> I don't feel they've always done so sufficiently in recent years

I TA'd for an anthro program a bit and the 'free thought' people were usually finding out that they'd been abusing terms of art or needed to switch contexts and were struggling to reframe their perceptions.

The difference between "you can't do that" and "that's not what we're doing here" evaded some people for a while.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mherdeg »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

My low-information view is that the Chinese government is an extraordinarily effective communications agency who very clearly understands the role that university students play in transmitting culture, especially when studying abroad, and has very openly worked to help spread their message throughout their diaspora.

Many US universities have a Chinese Student & Scholar Association and it's not like they try to hide that they are arms of the CCP. (Just for a random example https://myinvolvement.org/organization/cssaatualbany - "The Chinese Student and Scholar Association at the University of Albany is joined and organized by the Chinese students and scholars at the University of Albany of their own record. It is a nonprofit organization that is supported and guided by CCP through the Consulate-General of the PRC in New York.")

Mass organization can do incredible things -- a group of people is much more effective than the individuals.

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