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Re: Player of Games

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Post by OneTimePetes »

_0ffh wrote: post #61
OneTimePetes wrote: post #46

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Why not have a seat, take that chair over there.

One of the best, and executed to perfection! You can sort-of-see the point coming for a long, long time in the book, as he gradually builds the suspicion by dropping the occasional hint here and there, but it's always so that it must remain a highly uncertain speculation until he drops the reveal. Just the right balance between "How should I have suspected that?" and "Those hints were too much on the nose!".

Its such a crime - of war and all else, its like a blindspot of imagination. That a man would do such a thing - to what is essentially family, as tactics.. the horror..

Re: Player of Games

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Post by scrozart »

nixed wrote: post #102
tsbinz wrote: post #82

Comparing against Stockfish 8 in a paper released today and labeling it as "Stockfish" is bordering on being dishonest. The current stockfish version (14) would make AlphaZero look bad, so they don't include it ...

the same goes for slumbot in poker, its super old like 2013, the game is played completely different now and current bots would destroy it.

As a commenter above noted, this work is about generality, being able to play every game, and not being the best at every game.

Re: Player of Games

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Post by sidibe »

arvinsim wrote: post #93
stavros wrote: post #48

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I second this, it was excellent. I've only read a few Banks books, but this was my favorite.

I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me. Does it get better in the later chapters?

Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas are the worst of the series IMO. I powered through Consider Phloebus just because I knew people loved the series, but there's really no reason to start there

Re: Player of Games

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Post by wishinghand »

gman83 wrote: post #103
arvinsim wrote: post #93

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I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me. Does it get better in the later chapters?

I couldn't get through the cannibal part of Consider Phlebas, was soo weird.

I guess I just took it as another possibility in a society of nearly infinite ones. I did use material from that encounter in running a horror RPG, so in a way I'm kind of thankful for it.

Re: Player of Games

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Post by loxias »

kadoban wrote: post #112
loxias wrote: post #70

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I wish alphago was more "democratized" -- that is to say, I have many questions and experiments I'd love to run on it (a friend of mine and I have frequently pondered Go played in various different topological spaces, and I'd love to see an AI's result, for example).

Look into Katago. It's an open source AI in the same general style as AlphaGo, with an empasis on training speed. On 9x9 you can get up to superhuman really quickly on just a decent home machine (I think hours/days, can't remember exactly and it's probably improved since I looked).

Awesome! Thanks! Checking it out now.

Re: Player of Games

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Post by arethuza »

sidibe wrote: post #123
arvinsim wrote: post #93

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I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me. Does it get better in the later chapters?

Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas are the worst of the series IMO. I powered through Consider Phloebus just because I knew people loved the series, but there's really no reason to start there

Personally, I think Use of Weapons is by far the best of the Culture series - although I admit it took a few readings for me to get to that view...

Re: Player of Games

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Post by gpderetta »

arvinsim wrote: post #93
stavros wrote: post #48

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I second this, it was excellent. I've only read a few Banks books, but this was my favorite.

I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me. Does it get better in the later chapters?

I enjoyed Consider Phlebas a lot, but it is very different from the rest of the series.

Re: Player of Games

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Post by remram »

dontreact wrote: post #86
tsbinz wrote: post #82

Comparing against Stockfish 8 in a paper released today and labeling it as "Stockfish" is bordering on being dishonest. The current stockfish version (14) would make AlphaZero look bad, so they don't include it ...

The name of the game here is generality. For a really general agent, they are looking to have superhuman performance, not get state of the art on every individual task. Beating stockfish 8 convinces me that it would be superhuman at chess.

They could still be honest that it's Stockfish 8, not the Stockfish everyone has. Your product having genuine value does not excuse lying about that value.

Re: Player of Games

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Post by rishav_sharan »

sidibe wrote: post #123
arvinsim wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started with Consider Phlebas but stopped because it seems too slow for me. Does it get better in the later chapters?

Use of Weapons and Consider Phlebas are the worst of the series IMO. I powered through Consider Phloebus just because I knew people loved the series, but there's really no reason to start there

Sacrilege! Taste is subjective, but Use of Weapons, imo, is Banks best work. I personally consider it one of the best SciFi, period. It's been years I last read it, but that ending still gives me shivers whenever I think of it
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