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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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When you have a large company that recruits in large part on comp, perks, security, and prestige, over time that will destroy the company culture no matter how good it was at the start. Because you're gonna attract bland, boring, competent but mediocre people by recruiting on those things, and their mid-tier mindsets will gradually pollute and dilute everything that might have been remarkable about the place in the e…

Let's say you work for one of these companies - how do you tell whether you are one of the good ones or one of the "bland, boring, competent but mediocre" ones? And are there any companies out there right now that are still chock full of good people?

The test is really simple. Let's imagine that tomorrow you doubled your positive impact on the success of the company as a whole. Will your boss be twice as happy with you? If not, progression is basically political, or maybe in some cases based on the skillful execution of tasks unrelated to anything valuable, and people who are very friendly or are very unconcerned with the company they're working for (and consequently will not be bothered by wasting enormous amounts of brainpower on achieving pointless goals), respectively, will fill out the ranks in very little time.

It is not that uncommon for the first step in success to be forgetting about what the company ostensibly exists to do to make room for the misaligned incentives, whatever they may be, that determine what it actually does. That's the essential element of the big company malaise. Anyone can be mediocre if they're not trying, or if they're trying extremely hard to do something that's ultimately pointless.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

The biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.

Being willing to use your employer's product is a really low bar in compatibility.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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The biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.

Being willing to use your employer's product is a really low bar in compatibility.

There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I think it really says something that Facebook has to pay 20k/year extra in base salary for the same level compared to other FAANG companies to attract developers.

I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but when someone lists that they work at FB on their dating profile, I assume they either aren't paying attention or have dubious morals.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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FWIW, I think it’s probably appropriate to disclose that you’re the CTO of a reactionary social media competitor when you make a post like this.

Sure. I also worked at Facebook for 7.5 years first, and witnessed this performative cancer growing in real-time.

Why don't you go add a few more SQL injection vulns to your Mastodon fork, Fosco?

You and I worked together briefly and your incompetence was evident even then. You were unable to answer even the most basic questions about the area you were supposedly an SME in.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Most of their post-2000 successful products stem from acquisitions: Docs, Maps, Waymo...

Docs was an acquisition? From where?

Writely. Company was called Upstartle.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#127

One of the recent thought experiments I've been pondering: "What if there was a blacklist that you would join by taking/continuing employment at facebook?" The idea being that companies would agree to a pact in which they would blacklist anyone who works for facebook. What would be the consequences? Some sub-questions: 1. Would a blacklist be legal? Do employment laws prohibit hiring decisions based on one's prior em…

What incentive would any individual company have to join such a blacklist? Re 1, California says you can't refuse to hire someone because of criminal history (https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/labor/discrimination/ban-the-bo...), so refusing to hire b/c they worked for FB sounds like it would be doubtful.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.

They finally called me. So yep, bottom of the barrel.

Same here. The universe tipped back into balance when they didn't bother to reply after me asking about the role. :)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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The biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.

Dogfooding the product you're working on isn't that unusual even if it is FB. It dramatically improves quality when you're 'forced' to use the same product you're developing.

LOL if you can't get your own employees to want to you use your product you might have a problem .
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