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Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Is it that much different from aphantasia? My sister cannot "see" anything in her mind at all, whereas for me mental images are so strong that I sometimes stop seeing the world in front of my eyes in favor of the one in my head. That's a pretty radical difference in a "base level" feature.

I think it’s different - there was an old post by an early FB employee who has no ability to visualize images after a head injury and has to adapt as a result for that. Thinking of images is also different than thinking of words (since all of us speak the language). I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that I suspect its more likely a lack of introspection - I’d need to be persuaded empirically somehow and don’t know…

> Thinking of images is also different than thinking of words (since all of us speak the language).

No more of speak the language than see with our eyes. Personally while I do have some kind of inner voice, my thoughts tend much more heavily to the visual. And memories too. If I need to recall a phone number or spelling then I'll imagine it written.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Does you inner monologue have an accent? Can you recognize a definite tone to it? I heard someone mentioning "I loved your accent, so I'll imagine you narrating my thoughts from now on" and the idea of your thoughts being pronounced in your mind with accents sounded completely alien to me.

I can apply any character voice I can imagine to the inner voice. The default that I "hear" most of the time isn't even my voice - the timbre is a bit lower and more neutral, and it lacks my distinctive vocal affectations. But if I want to hear it as an Irish woman, or whatever else, I just do. Perhaps it's relevant that I always did character voices and accents out loud as well, since I was a kid wanting to be an actor.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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That's odd. Can you silence the voice? Do you exert influence over it?

If I start trying, it completely goes away, replaced by my monologue. I'm sure a lot of people know that feeling where you very intentionally drive your own internal voice. I can do that. I think it's related to my ADHD. Reading is very difficult because as I read, my voice just completely wanders off, CONSTANTLY. "Oh hey, 'gargantuan' that's a great word. Reminds me of a video game monster... Oh did you just read 2…

As someone with ADHD, I have those same experiences, just not verbally. I can verbalize them if I have to, but they are wordless.

The only time I experience the sort of word-based hijacking you're describing is with what I think of as "internal argument". I'll think of a previous or possible future discussion and structure my reply in words. Although since words are slow, often the words will sort of collapse and I'll shift to sort of a mental outline mode, where it's more a feel of structure with occasional words or phrases cropping up.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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That's odd. Can you silence the voice? Do you exert influence over it?

If I start trying, it completely goes away, replaced by my monologue. I'm sure a lot of people know that feeling where you very intentionally drive your own internal voice. I can do that. I think it's related to my ADHD. Reading is very difficult because as I read, my voice just completely wanders off, CONSTANTLY. "Oh hey, 'gargantuan' that's a great word. Reminds me of a video game monster... Oh did you just read 2…

I also have a very constant inner voice, sometimes multiple, maybe it's an ADHD - although my ADHD I can read fine (although sometimes I need to get up and walk around absorbing what I've read and considering the implications)

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Interesting that the user has to think of specific letters to spell out a word. I guess the 26 distinct English letters are much easier to parse and separate than the untold thousands of words, especially when those words could be used in different contexts. I bet the next step wouldn't be to even parse words to make a sentence. It seems to me the next low hanging fruit would be to enable this machine to parse common…

That next step is a leap. I view it as the difference between parsing and processing spoken English and parsing and processing spoken Mandarin Chinese. The letters and numbers are 36 symbols to understand, plus capitalization and punctuation. Understanding words means mapping out the brain pathways for each word.

There is actually a path for this that's been done before, in a way. Dragon Naturally Speaking was evolved this way.

As I understand it, that evolution took decades.

In 1952 Bell Labs came up with Audrey (Automatic Digit Recognition). Voice specific, and could only recognize numbers 0-9. This is where the OP linked Brain Computer Interface (BCI) is.

In 1962 IBM revealed Shoebox at the World Fair. Shoebox could understand 16 English words. It would listen to the words and complete an instruction for example adding up numbers and providing the result.

Harpy came in 1971. Funded by Darpa and developed through a collaboration between CMU, Stanford and IBM. Harpy cold work with ordinary speech and pick out individual words, but it only had a vocabulary of around 1000 words.

In 1974, Kurzweil forms Kurzweil Computer Products (KCP) for development of pattern recognition technology.

In 1976, KCP introduces the Kurzweil Reading Machine, combining three technological firsts.

In 1982 Dr's Jim and Janet Baker launched Dragon Systems and prototyped a voice recognition system that was based around mathematical models. The Bakers were mathematicians and the system they came up with was based a hidden Markov model – using statistics to predict words, phrases and sentences.

In 1983, Kurzweil Music Systems launches a keyboard synthesizer that accurately reproduces the sounds of acoustic instruments.

In 1985, Kurzweil Applied Intelligence introduces the first speech-to-text computer program.

In 1990, Dragon Dictate was launched as the first general purpose large vocabulary speech to text dictation system. This was a groundbreaking product for Dragon, but it required users to pause between individual words.

In 1994, KurzweilVoice for Windows 1.0 is launched, bringing discrete speech command technology to the personal computer environment.

In 1995, Kurzweil Technologies is founded.

By 1997, the problem of having to pause between words had been overcome and Dragon Naturally Speaking v1 was launched, 45 years after Audrey.

In 1997, the Continuous Speech Natural Language Command and Control software is launched as Kurzweil Voice Commands; The Medical Learning Company is formed.

In 2000, Kurzweil forms FAT KAT, Inc. to develop artificial intelligence that can make decisions about buying and selling on the stock market.

Then in 2001 KTI introduced "Ramona," the virtual reality rock star.

Yes, the last two have little (maybe even nothing) to do with speech recognition, but I found them interesting, so I thought you might too.

The sources for the above are primarily:

[1] http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/kurzweil-te...

[2] https://whatsnext.nuance.com/en-gb/dragon-professional/histo...

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Give it 5 years and VR will not be bulky at all.

Good VR has been five years out since 1993.

What's your point? The standard of what's good keeps improving.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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Meditation is exactly the practice of letting your inner monologue chatter until it dies away and you're fully tethered to your sensations and surroundings. So if one can learn to meditate, in theory one can meditate all the time (therefore not have inner chatter/monologue) The more interesting question is what is the usefulness of inner dialogue in itself. A way to rehearse/articulate thoughts to be communicated to…

Meditation is recognizing the omnipresent voice and trying to quiet it down. It’s partly why I suspect those that think they don’t have an internal monologue just aren’t recognizing it. I think you can get better at quieting the voice or letting thoughts pass, but I don’t think you can really turn it off for longer than a few moments. Gurus that claim they have and have “reached enlightenment” just seem to be lying e…

How or where did you acquire such specific beliefs about what minds can or cannot do?

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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> (Don't think this nurse is hot! Don't think this nurse is hot! Holy shit she's hot.) > (You can do this) > (OMG, is it on already?) > (You can do this) > (What a nice bottom) > (Don't think bottom you idiot) > (She's entering the room, think something else, now, fast, bunny bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny) > (Bunny, you got this)

Relevant scene from a sci fi movie called “Chaos Walking”

https://youtu.be/Od-0XFHlcto

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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A few thoughts: - Maybe! - Don't accidentally get caught in the fallacy of "how I experience existence must be how everyone does - Is it possibly just a semantic distinction at that point? If you are completely consciously unaware of an internal voice that speaks your language, does it matter if it's there or not?

I’m with you on 2, but it doesn’t seem like just me - it seems like vast majority except the occasional person claiming it’s different for them. It’s not a semantic distinction to me, since the mechanism underlying it would then be the same and it’d just be their recognition of it that varied which is way less surprising.

Indeed, there are legions of non-dual meditation apps and meditation teachers who train people to deal with this inner voice in ways that are helpful.

If such people were not rampant, I do not think these teachers and apps would be so popular.

Re: Brain implant translates paralyzed man's thoughts into text with 94% accuracy

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I’m pretty skeptical of people that make this claim. It’s just surprising to me that a base level feature would work so differently. I’d expect some variation in models (like that old Feynman video about counting), but if you can speak and use language it’s hard for me to accept literally no internal voice is going on. I’ve always kinda suspected people making this claim are lacking introspection to such an extreme e…

Well here is one other random sample who has to turn the inner voice on when necessary :) Instead of a voice I have a constant song playing in my head when I am not focused. The song changes multiple times per week but if I am on idle I have a song. When I speak the song turns off, but no voice comes on, unless I consciously prepare my words. Now when typing this comment, I have a voice (which is my own voice) say th…

I also have a song playing in my head most of the time (even while reading but not writing , like you). I’m a hobbyist musician; maybe that’s part of it.

But I also have an inner voice . I think the music stops when the voice starts, not sure.

For the last week I’ve had “right down the line” by Gerry Raferty (70s pop song) playing.

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