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DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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That's why we can't have nice things in Europe. I second other comments - Wolt customer service is top notch, I'd even say too proactive ;) What can we do so there is less incentive for entrepreneurs to sell themselves to the US companies? Is the sustainable enterprise model dead today?

Europeans need to be open to more financial risk in order to create a competitive and robust capital market compared to the United States. Until then, you can expect to read more stories like this.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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and that isolationism is the most sure way to grow financially and not socially

People from China are not isolated though: they can study and spend time abroad, form social connections before returning to China if they so prefer.

Right, that’s why there’s a very large cultural crackdown on what can be shown, with pop stars being removed and wiped from the internet . With kids having their past times curfewed.

Happy to cite, and this might be a giant rabbit hole, but I would posit there’s massive disagreement (both for and against) your statement.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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I understand the convenience of delivered food esp. during the lockdowns, but people should not be glorifying these companies that are instituting a modern big-tech-powered serfdom by scraping the bottom of the barrel of gig work. We need a better model for this , not human-robots that carry food to the well-off.

It isn't these companies' fault that couriers don't have better options. If anything, without this kind of service existing, a lot of them would be simply out of work completely.

It still feels exploitative. To open a can of worms, what if I compare this to prostitution?

Yeah I get it, there's a gap there (uncaring governments and lack of good-enough jobs), and it's not their fault that they can profit from this gap. Although I suppose the moralistic issue is that these rent-seeking companies are paying as low as possible to attract/keep the workers and pocketing the rest (not to mention the other dodgy shit like trying to extract the maximum from restaurants, e.g. by hijacking their ordering system). But hey, as a child of capitalism, I'd do the same too.

Maybe I should change jobs and be a pimp...

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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As a non-user I only have negative feelings towards Wolt myself. They have their fleet of underpaid cyclists with gigantic boxes darting around the town at full speed without regard for traffic or anything else. The system where they get paid more the faster they go doesn't seem super healthy and one of them's gonna get killed by a car sooner or later.

Sounds like the city you’re in needs to fix its bike lanes rather than continue blaming cyclists

There are cities where cyclists use bike lanes?

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Correct. The labor board has issued its opinion that they should be considered employees but it hasn't yet been enforced by the courts. Instead, all Wolt couriers in Finland have been "independent contractors" and had to have their own business name or do other paperwork, that because of how Finnish law works for small business owners, means they get cut off from any public health insurance, unemployment insurance, e…

> because of how Finnish law works for small business owners, means they get cut off from any public health insurance This is not true. Finnish public health insurance is residency based: Every resident has it [1]. What you are probably thinking of, is the extra occupational private health insurance, that most Finnish employers provide for their employees (so that during work days, the employees don't need to wait in…

I believe most of the couriers have ”residence permit for an entrepreneur”. That means you get emergency care but thats about it. As your link states ” Jos olet tullut Suomeen tilapäisesti muualta kuin EU- tai Eta-maasta, Sveitsistä, Isosta-Britanniasta tai Pohjois-Irlannista, sinulla on oikeus vain kiireelliseen sairaanhoitoon. Hoidon kustannukset voidaan laskuttaa sinulta jälkikäteen. ”

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Wolt fed me through the pandemic in Hungary. And it's easily one of the best food delivery apps I've used. The app itself is 4/5 stars. Reliable, but the search filters don't give enough control to users. But what really stood out about Wolt was their customer service. They have incredible response times, and always do everything in their power to resolve any issues. That's rare these days, and I hope it doesn't go a…

these gig economy type startups only work if a monopoly is established. Competition results in users being subsidized by venture capital, so the logical option for both parties is to join forces and basically create a cartel

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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That is the downside of free trade: foreigners can fly in and buy up all your companies. Which is exactly why China protects their tech industry like a wolf her cubs. Capitalism favours the strong.

and that isolationism is the most sure way to grow financially and not socially

"Social growth" is a sufficiently fuzzy term that I'm sure that people can easily come up with definitions where isolationism is beneficial to social growth.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People from China are not isolated though: they can study and spend time abroad, form social connections before returning to China if they so prefer.

Right, that’s why there’s a very large cultural crackdown on what can be shown, with pop stars being removed and wiped from the internet . With kids having their past times curfewed. Happy to cite, and this might be a giant rabbit hole, but I would posit there’s massive disagreement (both for and against) your statement.

Sure, some directions of "growing socially" are strictly prohibited in China and perhaps also for those who ever want to go (back) to China. But does some directions mean all directions in practise? I don't know.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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This is one reason why US tech will always win. Any tech company in EU or Asia that becomes big enough will be acquired by the heavily capitalized US companies or their employees will be hired away.

Can you explain "this"? What mechanism is at play here?

Massive amounts of cheap money in public and private markets. Companies like Doordash have infinite money to buy non-US startups.

Re: DoorDash Joins Forces with Wolt

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As a non-user I only have negative feelings towards Wolt myself. They have their fleet of underpaid cyclists with gigantic boxes darting around the town at full speed without regard for traffic or anything else. The system where they get paid more the faster they go doesn't seem super healthy and one of them's gonna get killed by a car sooner or later.

Sounds like the city you’re in needs to fix its bike lanes rather than continue blaming cyclists

No, it doesn't. I can't tell from their comment whether their city/town has good cycling infrastructure or not. Even if it does, the app would still incentivize using it (and roads and sidewalks) incorrectly and dangerously.
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