I’m not at my desk to try it right now, but I wonder if this can be worked around by forcing a repaint. Animating a custom property, for instance, can fix “stuck” styles for eg scroll shadows (see https://www.bram.us/2019/10/24/pure-css-scroll-shadows-verti...).
Safari Ruined My Tuesday
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Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It boggles my mind that people use tabs like bookmarks. Not only does this usually destroy your available RAM, but its just not the right tool for the job. You are using a hammer like a screwdriver. To each their own, I guess. Just don't get mad when your browser crashes from overloading with tabs, or when you clear your history and it triggers the expected behavior of closing them. It would be a huge privacy concern…
This is a user experience problem. It is easy to close a tab. It is hard to delete a bookmark, and easy to end up with a giant list of things you will never care about again. 50 tabs open is an indication that there is a stage between "I am actively reading" and "I care about this enough to make a permanent record."
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. There should be some sort of middle ground, which I suspect is what tab groups try to solve.
My use case for tabs is quick ingestion of information that I tend to look at immediately, in rapid succession. Say, a Google search for something, and I open the top ten links to ingest the info.
I do not use bookmarks or keep tabs open. I do not save browser history either. Everything important to me, for the past or future, is in my head. If I want to bookmark something, I'll make a shortcut instead. Hacker News is a good example of a shortcut I'll make on my homescreen.
Overall, I think it's important to exercise our memory or we risk losing it. Having a cognitive load is important to our aging brains, and I feel that things like bookmarks and open tabs reduce our cognitive load too much. There are also privacy merits to not retaining bookmarks, tabs, or browser history. My ideal web browser is completely stateless.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft Edge is gaining some serious ground and is closing in on Safari [0]. Their aggressive conversion tactics seem to be paying off. The problem with Safari is that they either simply haven't, and, in some cases, even flat out refuse to implement certain standards that they themselves have had a hand in establishing. And then most of what is available comes half-arsed, undocumented, and is not supported/iterated…
Just because Google adds something to Chrome doesn't make it a standard.
That is a fact (one that Google is trying very hard to make people forget [0]).
I was actually referring to the proper global standards that are set forth by the W3C [1] and WHATWG organisations (now merged... I think). Both of which all major browser vendors are registered and actively contributing members of.
[0] https://web.dev/
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#124When you're doing cross-platform development like this for the web, you're going to have a "least common denominator" that you have to design for. Safari is that least common denominator right now only because Microsoft switched to using Chromium. But if Apple switched Safari to use Chromium, then Firefox would be the least common denominator and supporting Firefox would suddenly seem like a burden. It's fine to crit…
Firefox releases every 4 weeks. Safari releases twice a year. That's a significant difference. We should all expect more from a $2.5T company (whose browser engine is the only allowed browser engine on iOS).
To clarify: it's not an attack on developers of Safari. The point is that Apple is severely underinvesting while at the same time blocking competition.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#125> This is a post about a bug in Safari, but if you just want to ship a Phoenix app, the easiest way to learn more is to try it out; you can be up and running in just a couple minutes I'm sort of sick of this phenomena/trend of marketing/promotional material being masked as technically helpful content. This is exactly like the appalling methods of native advertising (aka sponsored content), but now used for self-promo…
However, in this case it was technically helpful content and sharing a frustrating story. It was one paragraph that was easy to ignore. There was no popup or call to action past that simple paragraph. As far as native advertising, this is as benign as it gets.
The concept is terrible, whether it was done "as benign as it gets" or not. The idea that this kind of bullshit content (that's obviously only written to be a marketing channel) is accepted as normal is exactly why it's a problem. Your comments only highlights it even more.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's nothing wrong with the browser being the next generation cross-platform execution environment. All the older options for this (Java, Flash etc.) sucked... I would like to see a strong competitor to Chrome someday though... - Firefox still has weird issues occasionally (most recently scroll position randomly jumping sometimes). I still keep it around though because its sane when it comes to standards and will…
> Safari is out of the question as it is not even cross-platform At the moment. Apple has a fairly long history of keeping cross-platform ports alive even if they aren't publicly available (that's why the transitions from 68K->PowerPC->Intel->Apple Silicon have been relatively smooth). I would bet that Apple could roll out a cross-platform Safari in fairly short order, should the powers that be decide that it makes b…
> Apple has a fairly long history of keeping cross-platform ports alive even if they aren't publicly available (that's why the transitions from 68K->PowerPC->Intel->Apple Silicon have been relatively smooth)
I don’t fully follow that logic. There never was a cross-platform Mac OS until PowerPC. The 68k to PowerPC transition had the first PowerPC version running most of the OS in emulation, and an incredible hack (in the good sense) to allow 68k code call PowerPC code and vice versa for all the different calling conventions that the 68k version of the OS used.
I think the later transitions only worked because they had moved to the Unix-based Mac OS X before that, ditching lots of assembly code. It’s Unix that’s portable.
For both PowerPC to Intel and Intel to Apple Silicon I guess it also helped that they already had code for lots of time-critical parts of the OS. For the first, they had Intel code in QuickTime for Windows, for the second, ARM code in iOS.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Safari, flaws and all, is pretty much the only browser that has any weight against Chrome. Tell your manager that you want the web site to support Firefox or Brave or something else, and they'll tell you it's a waste of time. Tell them that the web site won't work on their MacBook, and it's a four-alarm fire. In a lot of ways, I wish Safari would deviate even more from Google's "standards" just so that maybe…
> I think Safari, flaws and all, is pretty much the only browser that has any weight against Chrome. This is a terrible argument. That an inferior, proprietary, broken browser made by a company trying to cripple the web to protect their lucrative walled garden should be more popular in order to prevent Google from having more market share just for reasons? Chrome became popular and is popular because it works. It's c…
an inferior, proprietary, broken browser made by a company trying to cripple the web to protect their lucrative walled garden
Wait... are you talking about Apple and Safari? Sounds like a description of Google and Chrome.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#128Heh, reading the title I thought this was going to be someone losing all their tabs because "clear history" on mobile Safari apparently does that: https://twitter.com/SaraSoueidan/status/1457307545815732233 > Oh dear God.. Clearing history on Safari iOS closes all currently-opened tabs?! Why is there nothing that warns you of that?! Why does clearing history on mobile work differently from the way it does on mac? I h…
Tried that. Cannot reproduce (iOS 15.1; iPhone and iPad).
I have seen iOS on iPad suddenly start with a set of tabs from some time ago, though, and that can look identical to “losing all tabs”. Can’t repro that either, but it seems to happen after one runs multiple Safari’s side by side and then went back to full-screen (if you do that, multiple Safari’s show up in the Task Switcher)
Either way I think this is a bug, not by design.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It boggles my mind that people use tabs like bookmarks. Not only does this usually destroy your available RAM, but its just not the right tool for the job. You are using a hammer like a screwdriver. To each their own, I guess. Just don't get mad when your browser crashes from overloading with tabs, or when you clear your history and it triggers the expected behavior of closing them. It would be a huge privacy concern…
I fully disagree. IMHO other open tabs are part of the current app state (not its history) just as the currently active tab. Do you expect clearing history to close the window you are currently looking at? None of the multiple browsers I use would close any open tabs when you clear browser history, at least on computers - mobile UX might be different, though, but I don't use mobile browsing much perhaps this is a sou…
Leaving a million tabs open is analogous leaving all your silverware on your countertop instead of putting it in a drawer where it belongs. Regardless of how convenient it is, it's chaotic and incorrect user behavior. People need to take accountability for not using internet browsers correctly. Learn from your mistakes. PEBKAC.
This actually gave me an idea: a web browser with a feature that automatically saves open tabs into a "tab list," which functions the same way as bookmarks. Oh wait, that's the browsing history.
Re: Safari Ruined My Tuesday
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
It boggles my mind that people use tabs like bookmarks. Not only does this usually destroy your available RAM, but its just not the right tool for the job. You are using a hammer like a screwdriver. To each their own, I guess. Just don't get mad when your browser crashes from overloading with tabs, or when you clear your history and it triggers the expected behavior of closing them. It would be a huge privacy concern…
This is a user experience problem. It is easy to close a tab. It is hard to delete a bookmark, and easy to end up with a giant list of things you will never care about again. 50 tabs open is an indication that there is a stage between "I am actively reading" and "I care about this enough to make a permanent record."
> This is a user experience problem. It is easy to close a tab. It is hard to delete a bookmark, and easy to end up with a giant list of things you will never care about again.
Precisely. Personally, I created a browser extension[0] for myself where I just save the webpage and set a reminder to read, and then just close the tab. This way, I just close the tab immediately, and then I would be able to revisit the page later via reminders. This kind of works fine for me.