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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by vb6sp6 »

slownews45 wrote: post #17
gmueckl wrote: post #5

.NET 6 seems like a pretty good release with a few cool new features. But it's funny how the infographic in the post mentions MAUI for desktop development, but the "desktop" keyword in the text is referring to the WinForms github repository. I can't think of a more concise statement about the state of GUI development on .NET. I would really wish for less fragmentation and churn in that space.

Replace ".NET" with "Windows" maybe? AS a longtime original VB/Winforms developer - MS lost their mind on desktop development and didn't look back. They chased EVERY fad that could be chased. Silverlight, UPF, XAML, WPF, Islands, MAUI. This is one of those things - imagine if they'd focused on building an amazing and cross platform (ultimately) toolkit with just a basic drag and drop designer? Who cares about "stylin…

are you still doing desktop work? if so, what are you using?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by JasonCannon »

dschuessler wrote: post #33
phillipcarter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Core lives _inside_ of .net 6? Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? Yep! > I thought .net 5 was where the legacy 4.x branch and core 3.1 was married in holy matrimony, minus the worst of the legacy garbage. .NET 5 was the next evolution of .NET Core. There was no great merging of legacy .NET Framework into the .NET Core branch or something like that. It saw a bunch of foundational stuf…

Microsoft branding is terrible. My only point of contact with it is Visual Studio Code which is different from Visual Studio which is different from Visual Studio for Mac. There was a brief period of time after I recognized that .NET really works on all platforms without proprietary stuff and before the `dotnet watch` desaster in which I was at least curious about .NET. But even then I never fully figured out how .NE…

>.NET, .NET Core, ASP.NET, .NET Framework, .NET MAUI

ASP.NET Is the web framework that comes with .NET

.NET MAUI is the application user interface framework that now comes with .NET (Since .NET 6)

.NET is the overarching term for everything .NET.

.NET Framework refers to every version of .NET 4.8 and before. .NET Framework only ran on Windows (unless you used Xamarin to run it on other frameworks. Xamarin was a third party implementation of the .NET framework, it is now owned by Microsoft as well).

.NET Core is the new version of .NET. In the first 4 (I think) versions it had it's own branding, .NET core 1, 2, 2.1, and 3. .NET Core runs cross platform across the desktop OS's natively. Xamarin was still used for mobile development.

What would have been .NET Core 4 has been rebranded as .NET 5. Xamarin at this time was brought into the fold, allowing full functionality of .NET Core API's across desktop and mobile. I believe this rebranding was done because .NET Core was being considered full feature enough to take over the legacy of .NET.

One thing you didn't mention but I'll touch on as well, is .NET Standard. Lot's of people get confused about .NET Standard. .NET Standard is just the definition of what different frameworks that implement .NET Standard can use. So if you write your code to target .NET Standard you can't use .NET Core specific API's but what you can do is have the same code compiled against .NET Standard referenced in your .NET 4.5 - 4.8 Code, or your Unity Code, or your Xamarin code. It was primarily designed with libraries in mind.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by justin66 »

vidanay wrote: post #108
kingcharles wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This actually makes sense in 2021 since we have the resources to allow things like this. 20 years ago this might have seemed insane.

30 years ago we used DOS and DLL Hell was a completely unknown concept. We did have to deal with himem.sys though.

On the contrary, 30 years ago we were using Windows 3.0, which is about when dll hell started being a real thing.

(DLL hell stopped being a problem a lot sooner than you probably think, too...)

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by qwertox »

For me Hot Reload is the most important feature, which will very likely be a reason for me to move a bit from Python over to .NET, which I haven't touched for 10 years. Back then I really used it a lot (after moving away from OLE/DCOM/ActiveX), in C++, Managed C++, C# and IronPython (no GIL!). I absolutely loved it, but it was limited to the Microsoft ecosystem.

Yesterday, while randomly googling for "hot reload" I got aware of the drama which went down around two weeks ago, when Microsoft decided to remove this feature from the release, even after including it in the previews.

Here is a good summary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_pzDjw9HQ

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by JasonCannon »

jaywalk wrote: post #117
DavidKarlas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.NET is sane now... .NET 5, .NET 6, .NET 7... all cool, no more confusion going forward... .NET Framework(full Windows only Framework) is .NET Framework 4.x, stuck there forever only security patches... Only remaining confusing part left in ecosystem is "ASP.NET Core", because even though .NET got rid of Core, latest version ASP.NET didn't

Well, part of the problem with the naming for ASP.NET is that the .NET Framework version (WebForms) was simply called ASP.NET, so they couldn't just drop the "Core" like they did with .NET itself.

ASP.NET isn't only WebForms. It also covers the Razor engine as well as their WebAPI (API only).

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by FpUser »

slownews45 wrote: post #17
gmueckl wrote: post #5

.NET 6 seems like a pretty good release with a few cool new features. But it's funny how the infographic in the post mentions MAUI for desktop development, but the "desktop" keyword in the text is referring to the WinForms github repository. I can't think of a more concise statement about the state of GUI development on .NET. I would really wish for less fragmentation and churn in that space.

Replace ".NET" with "Windows" maybe? AS a longtime original VB/Winforms developer - MS lost their mind on desktop development and didn't look back. They chased EVERY fad that could be chased. Silverlight, UPF, XAML, WPF, Islands, MAUI. This is one of those things - imagine if they'd focused on building an amazing and cross platform (ultimately) toolkit with just a basic drag and drop designer? Who cares about "stylin…

>"They chased EVERY fad that could be chased. Silverlight, UPF, XAML, WPF, Islands, MAUI"

Being a wise man I spared myself from this madness long time ago;) When I need Windows Desktop App I use Delphi or lately Lazarus that can do both Windows and Linux GUI from a single source and produce native standalone executables.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

Even with my personal projects, I am wondering "What am I learning?" and "How might this benefit me professionally?" Other times I'm thinking "I just want this to work".

I started with C# with 1.0, back when structs inside structs didn't serialize properly. I've written iOS apps with Xamarin. I am a C# fan. I haven't used it professionally in a decade and my last personal project was years ago.

When is C# the right idea? The only time is when the project is entirely captured by the Microsoft ecosystem. There are plenty of places where this is the case. Windows desktop applications. Small business contract work who are still using Windows. Big business IT who still use Windows. Opportunities to migrate to Azure.

Where is C# the wrong idea? Everywhere else.

Writing for the best monetized mobile market? Swift.

Writing for cross-platform mobile market? Javascript.

Writing for cross-platform desktop market? Javascript. Maybe Java if you have a history of it.

Writing for the cloud? Something linux first. Javascript, Python. If you want a big GC language, why would you pick C# over Java?

AAA games? C++

Not AAA games? Maybe C# with Unity?

In every category where C# is used (outside Microsoft captured environments), there is a dominant solution which is not C#.

And that sucks. Because C# is awesome.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by polskibus »

abdusco wrote: post #24

> In .NET 6, in-memory single file apps have been enabled for Windows and macOS. In .NET 5, this deployment type was limited to Linux. You can now publish a single-file binary that is both deployed and launched as a single file, for all supported OSes. Single files apps no longer extract any core runtime assemblies to temporary directories. This is a great! Now I can publish statically linked executables and run it e…

What do you mean by golang quirks?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by schipplock »

> .NET 6 is the first release that natively supports Apple Silicon (Arm64)

Finally! :)

I was a bit disappointed that MS didn’t want to support macOS arm64 natively with .NET 5.

At the same time Microsoft invested a lot of effort in porting Java to arm64. Almost a year ago I could download Java builds for macOS arm64 from Azul (java 8-latest).

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