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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

So perhaps the obvious conclusion should be that your definition of "mass bombing" is not what people mean when they use that term?

Many people have no idea what they're talking about when speaking outside of their areas of expertise. So, yes, it's very possible that those people have something very different from mass bombing in mind.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?

There are biases on all sides, and it’s often hard to extricate oneself from them to see the facts as they are.

You could flip the question and ask why is so much of the world anti-Israel, no matter what?

The data on this is that in 2020 the UN adopted 17 resolutions condemning Israel and 6 for the rest of the world.

Now it’s possible that Israel is so much worse than the rest of the world, and the US is biased. Or perhaps there’s a lot of anti-Israel bias globally and the USA is actually closer to neutral.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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or maybe its conflict of interests. I'm not talking of the general situation but about this action by Israel government and the response. And this all human right groups are funded by the EU if its private or public it doesn't matter from the Israeli government perspective. Or maybe this groups doesn't know everything? why their members opinion is more accepted than the Israeli politicians who did that? some of them…

The fact based claim is that the Israel government haven’t provided evidence to their claims and therefore the claims are unsubstantiated. Any discussion of conspiracy can be put to rest with some proof.

but since when governments need to provide evidence and to whom? the world government? Can I go to random governments around the world and ask them to show evidence about their security issues to my organization?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Less true today, but historically: “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.” — Alexander Haig (former Secretary of State under Reagan and four-star general.) Today they have a lot of common economic interests and trade, similar to a European country.

> “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world Alexander "I am in control here" Haig made that statement prior to witnessing Desert Storm and the three decades of conflict to follow. The thing that makes that statement ironic is that we can't really fly much from there, and at times had to actively lobby Israel not to fly attack missions in their own self-defense, because doing so would alienate our…

I believe the point he was making was that they were/are the US's proxy wrt. foreign policy. Not being able to fly there is congruent with "does not carry even one American soldier." The thing about proxies is that you're not always in complete control of them but the benefits often far outweigh the costs. You can confirm both of those conditions by looking at a lot of parts of the Syrian Civil War.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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> Front Line Defenders investigated 75 iPhones and found that 6 devices were hacked with NSO Group's Pegasus spyware Hacked iPhones?! I bet they were side loading apps! /s (relevant: https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/03/apple-craig-federighi-side... )

I think "the fappening", xghost and NSO have already clearly demonstrated that mobile security is just PR.

According to Wikipedia "the fappening" was a phishing attack. I don't think that is a mobile specific problem.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

Israel launched over 900 attacks on Gaza in May, killed hundreds of Palestinians, and displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians. The UN estimate is 461 housing and commercial units were destroyed by Israel's bombing of Gaza. I don't dispute even more could have been killed by Israel and more destroyed by Israel if the United Nations Security Council did not call for an ending to it and that if that did not happen "…

A quick google search reveals that the US launched 2800000 ground attack missions during the Vietnam war, dropping 15000000000 pounds of bombs. That works out to an average of several hundred attacks per day for two decades.

I also encourage you to look at Wikipedia's List of ongoing armed conflicts [1], which lists the Israeli–Palestinian conflict as a "Minor Conflict" given its scale in comparison to the other entries.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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What evidence is "out there"? So far, there's no evidence, from what is being reported by legitimate news agencies who saw the supposed evidence. Example: https://apnews.com/article/business-europe-middle-east-israe...

In 2018 all payment processors (MC/Visa/Amex) banned payments to Al-Haq due to allegations that they forwarded money to PFLP, so this is not new news. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2019-00193... This was based on testimony given in court by two Palestinian accountants that Al-Haq was funneling money to terrorism. It should be noted that Al-Haq does not make disclose either the sources or destinati…

Those allegations came from the same place this “evidence” did.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Don't matter to you maybe ... to many people finding reason is important.

> Don't matter to you maybe The point is swap out the people in those geographies, rerun the timeline, and you’ll find them in conflict. The reasons they each come up with in this iteration is dressing.

> The reasons they each come up with in this iteration is dressing

What reasons do you think Israel "has come up with"? To me it's quite clear there's one side that's bent on destroying the other, there is no symmetry.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Er... you mean the UN resolution which produced this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... ? Well, today Israel opposes the current "two state solution" proposal which would give the Palestinians a much smaller territory than on that map, so I kind of understand why the proposal from 1948 is not on the table anymore...

Yes, that map which the Arabs never accepted. Please also keep in mind that Israel have occupied far more land - and promptly given it back as soon as a lasting peace agreement with the country in question was signed (more or less the entire Sinai. And the country who signed a lasting peace treaty and never had trouble with Israel again is Egypt). Also, please keep in mind that significant more Jews has been chased o…

While it may be true that Jews were "chased out of the surrounding Arab countries", this doesn't justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. A crime is a crime.

Let's be clear, forcibly removing an indigenous population of over 750,000 people (this included my parents) is a crime. These refugees and their decedents have a right to return to their land. This has to be acknowledged and only then will the region move on.

Here, South Africa is a great example of a peaceful coexistence: while it has its problems, the country has moved on after Apartheid.

This is the root Palestinian problem. It's not a complicated story.

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