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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by GhettoComputers »

yur3i__ wrote: post #60
GhettoComputers wrote: post #52

> Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500+tax (in store stock a…

> They're right, its just a PC now. Its crazy, I can't think of anyone who wants a console that has a rough computer equivalent of a Ryzen 7 3700X, 5700 RT with ray tracing, shares 16GB GDDR6 ram, a blu-ray drive, with a 1GB NVME drive for $500 (in stock and not scalped). The way I view it is as paying a subscription for support, I bought a PS4 at launch and the fact it can play the newest Call of Duty at 60fps looki…

You are paying for support in terms of the higher cost of the games, being locked to one online store and only approved playable games they allow, not being able to move it to another console generation, no replacable parts. A good PC in 2013 would have been 1.3x more expensive at launch (today it would be way more expensive to build a PS5 equivalent) but a PC would be able to play games better than a PS4 Pro (it is locked for GTA5 at 1080/30fps, while PC is always unlocked), have more graphics options, populate the streets with more NPCs, and tons of external niceties such as mods, you can use the PC for playing old games and emulators too. You can get 60FPS on desktop or more any time if you lowered the graphics like they do for consoles like PS4, but even the equivalent PC GPU runs a better than 30FPS at 1080. https://www.userbenchmark.com/PCGame/FPS-Estimates-Grand-The...

At the same time, I don't really recommend building a fancy gaming PC, most games are not exciting and having an APU for playing fun older games makes the most sense to me, I used my GPUs way more before, but since 2017 for Prey I haven't felt like I cared for them since I care to play AoE II and Starcraft more, and new games that are exciting are all indie, and don't need good graphics like into the breach, or Factorio don't exist on console. The PS store irritates me because they resell to me the same games again except on a different console, PC just runs everything. Heres the performance of an 3400G APU ($150 CPU+GPU on one chip. You can also upgrade the hardware if you see a good deal, unlike a PS4 where you'd have to buy a completely new one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0p5fbW5odY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxPtHuyPJo

I think you should consider a low end PC for gaming, its got tons of cool stuff you can run, they even cloned PS3's PT, you aren't getting better support for gaming by buying a console. https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/2/17519118/pt-remake-windows-...

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

okasaki wrote: post #116
haunter wrote: post #93

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- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

It's only cheaper if the only thing you're using a PC for is gaming. But most people have other uses for it, so now you need a console + PC. Might as well buy a better PC to do everything.

> now you need a console + PC

A lot of people I know use console + Mac.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by melff »

shocks wrote: post #107
melff wrote: post #97

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yeah, I use my laptop as a mobile "console" with ps4 controllers. It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen, but they do exist

> It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen You’ve just demonstrated one of the reasons people get consoles.

I know, what's wrong with that?

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

melff wrote: post #117
haunter wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> That being said I have a gaming PC and consoles too mostly becasue of the exclusives That's one of the reasons I hate consoles on an ideological level. Unless there are technical reason that make porting the game so hard that it's just not worth it, the only reason for "exclusives" to exist is to fuck over consumers.

No it's not.

Some of those games are funded and developed wouldn't of been made if it wasn't for the fact they wanted to have games to sell the console. They are not fucking you over by not having it on your system, you just feel annoyed that it's not.

It's simply a business decision and marketing tool and because it's valuable you get more and better games than you would of gotten before. If there weren't such exclusives you wouldn't have such incentives and they wouldn't always exist in the first place.

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Post by zaarn »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120
viraptor wrote: post #115

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> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

A half decent PC is in the 800€ to 1000€ range. If you're willing to take some graphical downgrades you can do it for 600-800€ too.

How many games can you buy for 500€ max? About 10 or so. Maybe.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by soraminazuki »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I use PCs for gaming because many Playstation titles can also be bought on Steam for a cheaper price. However, I'd be terrified of using my gaming PC for purposes other than gaming because games in general have a poor reputation regarding security and privacy. Many games are outright hostile towards users, with kernel-level DRMs and "privacy policies" and whatnot.

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Post by y4mi »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120
viraptor wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cheaper than a gaming PC They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. > Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc. You can use a PC in the same way. If you position it well, you can even have a dual purpose work/entertainment PC.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

2 yrs ago i would've said 800€.

currently it would be 1.5k+€, but thats because of the silicon shortage and scalpers. and fwiw, a ps5 was going for 1.4k just a few month ago too.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I plop down on my couch, pick up the controller, and it just works.

Whereas on PC I have to go upstairs, usually switch out my work cables and keyboard/mouse, power up the thing, then fire up my game. Definitely less comfortable than the console experience, but on the other hand, there's games that just don't work on consoles (strategy, text-heavy games, etc).

At the moment I play Sekiro on the console and FFXIV on the PC. Both work on the other platform, but both are stronger on the ones I prefer to play them on.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

zaarn wrote: post #125
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

A half decent PC is in the 800€ to 1000€ range. If you're willing to take some graphical downgrades you can do it for 600-800€ too. How many games can you buy for 500€ max? About 10 or so. Maybe.

You're comparing full price console games to free PC games. There are numerous games on consoles that cost less than €50, and buying the latest AAA releases on PC will cost you more than €50 too

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Cloudef »

throwaway2077 wrote: post #12
BossingAround wrote: post #6

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> Fail0verflow have stated in the past that Jailbroken consoles are not worth it anymore since they are so close to computers in features and functionality Interesting. I don't own a PS5, but Xbox seems to be pretty much a PC [1] (weeeell, like a Chromecast-style PC anyways). The main reason to legitimately jailbreak a PS4 back in the day was to get back the Linux functionality Sony took away from its users, and to r…

"I want to play pirated games" is a perfectly legitimate reason

Most games are nowadays multi-platform (or can be emulated) and they play better on PC. I don't really see the point of consoles, they can't be upgraded and are mostly bricks outside of playing games destined to be e-waste at some point.
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