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Apple switched to zsh because newer versions of bash are licensed under GPLv3.
I know what the reason is. I don't care. I use GPLv3 and have no interest in an OS that doesn't. You can run bash on windows or compile it yourself on any platform. microsoft even distributes it with windows.
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I wonder what he was using the up arrow key for in the shell.
How do you know he was a he?
so, even when speaking english, i still, sometimes, use he as the the neutral pronoun (like calling an unknown user him).
what i mean is: your type of comment is actually quite weird. you don't know the person you are replying to. you don't know if english is their first, second, third or fourth language.
also, people make mistakes and instead of trying to catch someone in a "GOTCHA" moment, it's better to just ignore it.
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I don't ascribe completely to this philosophy. Also, I wrote "they" in my original comment.
You did write they. Which is why I called it out when I saw what I presumed was a presumed he (apparently you wrote it in another comment, so I was wrong in this specific case... the threading/timeline made that unclear). Regardless of your philosophy, the constant presumption of male hood is all over on HN if you're sensitive to watch for it. I don't know what your philosophy is, but the pattern absolutely is diffic…
Note that I've worked for multiple very successful computer scientist women. They have no tolerance for folks who sit around and complain about the unfairness. It's clear their confidence, ego, and drive, allowed them to succeed.
I slipped when I said he in the second comment. I normally prefer to not state the gender of people (to avoid the presumption of malehood) but I don't think it's as dire as you make out.
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Because in a sibling comment by the same poster, previous to my comment, he wrote "he", so I assumed he was a he.
Fair enough. Timeline wasn't so clear on that for me. For the record, I see this kind of behavior all the time on HN.. I don't always call it out but occasionally. I always get downvoted, which doesn't surprise me, but it's the right thing to make people aware of these subtle behavior patterns that many women have told me makes them reconsider their field.
It's worth calling out occasionally, such as correcting when the preferred pronoun is known to you, but otherwise it usually just details discussions.
I've been a tcsh user for nearly 30 years, but I also believe /bin/sh should be as minimal and reliable as possible, the Bourne shell (or ash), certainly not a bloated monstrosity like bash or zsh. Even ksh is too big for my taste.
csh Programming Considered Harmful http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh
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And perpetuating these biases is what makes it feel lonely and not welcoming to be a woman in engineering.
A woman in engineering should know that just because things have been probable in the past does not mean they will in the future For a guy growing around computers it has also been pretty lonely, more girls would have been welcome at any stage...
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How do you know he was a he?
in my native language, he is the neutral pronoun (it's a gendered language). so, even when speaking english, i still, sometimes, use he as the the neutral pronoun (like calling an unknown user him). what i mean is: your type of comment is actually quite weird. you don't know the person you are replying to. you don't know if english is their first, second, third or fourth language. also, people make mistakes and inste…
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In those days people mainly used ! expansion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_shell#History . I know many people who are incredibly good at using ! expansion to edit previous commands ("change that command 5 lines ago to rm -rf this other folder") but it's a bit of a footgun.
Depends how you use it. If you just want to execute it then it is a footgun - using only the !command syntax. If you use the !command:p syntax then you are just printing what command has been executed instead of invoking it. Example. % uname FreeBSD % !uname uname FreeBSD % !uname:p uname %
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And perpetuating these biases is what makes it feel lonely and not welcoming to be a woman in engineering.
A woman in engineering should know that just because things have been probable in the past does not mean they will in the future For a guy growing around computers it has also been pretty lonely, more girls would have been welcome at any stage...
I don't think I would tell someone what they "should" know. That 'knowledge' seems like an unlikely possibility: I think it probable that significant discrimination against women in tech will (very unfortunately) continue for another generation, at least. One signal to me is that many reject it in every way: Denial, anger, etc.
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You did write they. Which is why I called it out when I saw what I presumed was a presumed he (apparently you wrote it in another comment, so I was wrong in this specific case... the threading/timeline made that unclear). Regardless of your philosophy, the constant presumption of male hood is all over on HN if you're sensitive to watch for it. I don't know what your philosophy is, but the pattern absolutely is diffic…
I think this is an overly negative attitude. Note that I've worked for multiple very successful computer scientist women. They have no tolerance for folks who sit around and complain about the unfairness. It's clear their confidence, ego, and drive, allowed them to succeed. I slipped when I said he in the second comment. I normally prefer to not state the gender of people (to avoid the presumption of malehood) but I…
In either case, whether or not their perspective is to want to make room for others doesn't mean that all women feel that way. I've had quite a few talk about this exact kind of experience including former mentors and managers of mine (I've also been lucky to work for some kick ass women). They tell me that they have to prove even more, dress/act more masculine, etc to be taken seriously. This isn't just one woman who has told me this either. This is quite a few over a 15 year period.
Staying gender neutral is an easy way to create room and make it feel less skewed, especially when the context is a senior leader (aka glass ceiling). I know you did with your original they, so I'm talking more generally here rather than this specific instance. The last year has had an outpouring of people's experiences being different in all these respects, and stories in business are easy to find. This week is also the Society of Women Engineer's conference where there's talks on navigating these kinds of environments. Perhaps you might find it interesting to attend and hear. It's available virtually.
I'm not making this out to be dire.. it's quite minor. But that doesn't mean minor things don't add up when you're an outsider. Being a gay man, I've seen that change in language over time to be less presumptive. I don't get offended when people ask about my wife (they'd be right the majority of the time!), but it is nice when people make room for my spouse to not be female.