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Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by vermaden »

panick21_ wrote: post #117
Bayart wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me for asking, but why would you use ZFS on a laptop/desktop ? That's the target for PopOS.

There is this myth out there that ZFS is not for desktop/laptop. I have no idea why this is. There is no reason for that thinking. The developers of ZFS were using ZFS on desktop literally before it was finished, it was always intend to do both desktop and servers. Its just that Solaris and FreeBSD systems were primary servers. If ZFS is the best file system, why not just use it? I would really like to use native enc…

Yeah. ZFS is great for single disks for laptops.

With ZFS Boot Environments you are bulletproof on upgrades and major changes.

Moar here: https://is.gd/BECTL

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by rg111 »

It was all shiny and nice until I started using it.

I stopped using Pop OS. I am using Linux Mint and I am very happy with it.

The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop.

The wifi was problematic. I tried common fixes and they did not work. Internet was (testedly) slow always compared to other devices on the same network.

These are the main reasons why I decided to leave Pop OS. And then there are those problems which you get from using Linux distros in everyday life. They existed for Pop. This sounds vague. But things go wrong often. Regular Linux users will know.

Another major issue I must mention is freezing and outright crashing when the Pop Shop is launched. Installing something new was a costly endeavour. It was also a key factor in my decision to leave PopOS.

I have found Linux Mint to be the most usable, lowest maintenance distro out there (Arch requiring the highest maintenance). But I wanted my personal machine to look nice, so I tried Kubuntu, and I like it. I am not going back to Pop.

So it's Ubuntu (workstation) + Kubuntu / Mint (personal laptop) for me.

Re: Pop OS – System76

#123

Post by notwhereyouare »

rg111 wrote: post #122

It was all shiny and nice until I started using it. I stopped using Pop OS. I am using Linux Mint and I am very happy with it. The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop. The wifi was problematic. I tried common fi…

so, I use PopOS and only really have 1 of those issues. My wifi will randomly not work coming out of sleep, but a disconnect and reconnect fixes that issue.

I do have 1 issue that I didn't see you mention, the trackpad will randomly not work. I have to put the computer back to sleep and re-wake it up and it works.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by Filligree »

rg111 wrote: post #122

It was all shiny and nice until I started using it. I stopped using Pop OS. I am using Linux Mint and I am very happy with it. The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop. The wifi was problematic. I tried common fi…

> The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop.

I had the same experience. However, is your laptop a dual-GPU model? System76 enables hybrid graphics by default; most other distributions don't, and that can account for a significant power draw.

Re: Pop OS – System76

#125

Post by Bayart »

panick21_ wrote: post #117
Bayart wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me for asking, but why would you use ZFS on a laptop/desktop ? That's the target for PopOS.

There is this myth out there that ZFS is not for desktop/laptop. I have no idea why this is. There is no reason for that thinking. The developers of ZFS were using ZFS on desktop literally before it was finished, it was always intend to do both desktop and servers. Its just that Solaris and FreeBSD systems were primary servers. If ZFS is the best file system, why not just use it? I would really like to use native enc…

What myth ? ZFS is significantly slower than run-off-the-mill file systems (namely ext4) on small file random r/w IOPS. Which makes sense because it's made for throughput and redundancy, not latency.

It's a pretty shit file system for a single OS or a software development drive, unless you really need snapshots (you don't).

ZFS is made for big arrays of drives with lots of RAM. If that's not your use case, you're just wasting time and energy for the sake of it.

Re: Pop OS – System76

#126

Post by encryptluks2 »

fish45 wrote: post #3
encryptluks2 wrote: post #2

This tiling feature looks just like i3 or Sway.. pretty sure it is using it under the hood. Not sure why they changed the default shortcuts though, nor why they want to rename everything under the Pop OS brand.. rather than just give credit to the real contributors.

https://github.com/pop-os/shell You're wrong

So a copycat implemented in JavaScript.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by lugged »

rg111 wrote: post #122

It was all shiny and nice until I started using it. I stopped using Pop OS. I am using Linux Mint and I am very happy with it. The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop. The wifi was problematic. I tried common fi…

You seem to be confused, Linux doesn't have the problems you think it does. Im a daily Linux user and don't have these problems you're suggesting.

Have you made a bug report?

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by okamiueru »

solarkraft wrote: post #98
okamiueru wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first thing I do on a fresh Ubuntu is to purge away everything related to snap. I tried PopOS at one point, to see what it was about. And, I honestly don't understand what it adds to the table. It felt like many minor things were changed to be different, but overall it had the same things I wanted. After being annoyed for a couple of days, I installed Ubuntu, removed snap, and everything is pleasant again.

What were you annoyed by?

I honestly don't remember any longer. I think one of the things was the windows-key behavior. I used to be able to just hit that, fuzzy search the app and hit enter. I might be entirely mistaken that this was one of the things though. Apologies for my lousy memory.

Re: Pop OS – System76

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Post by lugged »

Shared404 wrote: post #7

As far as I'm concerned, this is the current gold standard for out-of-box experience desktop Linux. There are things I would do differently if I were building a system myself, but PopOS "Just Works", and is more polished than Win10 imho.

Fedora and pop OS have been ahead of windows for a while.

Personally also think Mac is going the way of windows, I have to use it for testing safari sometimes the OS is an absolute nightmare to use, always popping up asking for my password or fingerprint or some other password, or some other permission, it's just a whole bunch of antipatterns.

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