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Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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The EPA doesn't have a dog in this fight - the feds don't have much of a role at all, unless it is on federal lands of a particular class that would trigger special protections (ie National Park). Piping gas across state lines can involve the feds, or if they impign on a wetland or waterway. There's no interstate commerce to trigger any substantial federal involvement that I can see. Texas was an inspired choice - Ca…

> Texas was an inspired choice - California would have been a knife fight regulatorily. Inspired in the immediate profit sense, not in the long term affects on your planet sense. SpaceX lives here too; it's their planet too.

It’s like the one company on earth actually concretely trying to change that …

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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> Texas was an inspired choice - California would have been a knife fight regulatorily. Inspired in the immediate profit sense, not in the long term affects on your planet sense. SpaceX lives here too; it's their planet too.

It’s like the one company on earth actually concretely trying to change that …

Not in this case, apparently, and definitely not the only company, not even in the auto industry.

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Some more context. If I understand correctly this gas plant is need to power a desalination plant which is need to produce massive amounts of water which will be used to implement a sound suppression deluge system that is required by the FAA. Salt water will corrode everything and there isn't existing water and gas infrastructure in place to lean on. ie they have to build the stack from scratch.

Perhaps there's a more efficient place to build the facility, perhaps someplace with abundant water so that you don't have to spend all this energy to create it?

I guess you're alluding to KSC or Cape Canaveral? As far as I know they pipe their water in from a neighboring town. Do they actually have enough fresh water to support the launch cadence SpaceX is planning for?

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Perhaps there's a more efficient place to build the facility, perhaps someplace with abundant water so that you don't have to spend all this energy to create it?

Because the rocket is so huge, they need to build it either next to a waterway for barge transport, or right next to the launch pad which has to be on the coast

Thanks. Next question: Inland waterways are fresh water, and generally they carry the largest volume of water near the coast, so why not build next to a river?

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some more context. If I understand correctly this gas plant is need to power a desalination plant which is need to produce massive amounts of water which will be used to implement a sound suppression deluge system that is required by the FAA. Salt water will corrode everything and there isn't existing water and gas infrastructure in place to lean on. ie they have to build the stack from scratch.

Perhaps there's a more efficient place to build the facility, perhaps someplace with abundant water so that you don't have to spend all this energy to create it?

I don't think there is.

You need water to your east (because you can't fly over people for safety reasons), for a really long way. As in launches from texas have to dodge Florida, Cuba and all the other islands over there.

You need very low population density (because rocket launches and landings require large exclusion zones).

You need to be in the US, because of export restrictions.

You want to be as far south as possible, for efficiency reasons (to get as much kinetic energy from the earths rotation as possible).

You are looking at this launch site, attempting to acquire a lot of land on Florida's coast (not really feasible anymore, it's all occupied), or launching from tiny islands/ocean platforms which will have the exact same fresh water issues.

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Heres a tl;dr from Reddit. I'm very tired as this is a big deal and no, I don't have a cohesive narrative throughout the series. I was trying to get as much information out there during the very short 30-day window for public comment. I believe public comment is super important for these types of projects. I have over a decade of experience in this specific field, and have worked as a regulator, for non-profits, and…

Thank you for your insightful research.

What can individuals do? Is there a place to leave public comments?

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Heres a tl;dr from Reddit. I'm very tired as this is a big deal and no, I don't have a cohesive narrative throughout the series. I was trying to get as much information out there during the very short 30-day window for public comment. I believe public comment is super important for these types of projects. I have over a decade of experience in this specific field, and have worked as a regulator, for non-profits, and…

> I believe public comment is super important for these types of projects.

Something I've always wondered: How is it that public comments have power? What stops officials from mostly ignoring them or misconstruing them? And if the comments do have power, what stops vested interests from hijacking them?

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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Guess solar isn't so good at industrial scale, eh? They should go build some fission reactors instead.

Given how much Musk gets compared to Iron Man, you'd think he'd spend some time working on fusion to build his own Arc Reactor.

to be clear, I'm not even against this. it seems like the sort of thing he might take a crack at, and it would be substantially more useful than car tunnels to nowhere

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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post #125

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Perhaps there's a more efficient place to build the facility, perhaps someplace with abundant water so that you don't have to spend all this energy to create it?

I don't think there is. You need water to your east (because you can't fly over people for safety reasons), for a really long way. As in launches from texas have to dodge Florida, Cuba and all the other islands over there. You need very low population density (because rocket launches and landings require large exclusion zones). You need to be in the US, because of export restrictions. You want to be as far south as p…

Thank you! Now I'm thinking of course ... Puerto Rico? I don't know how much fresh water there is, or if there's available and suitable land on the east coast. Are Georgia or South Carolina too far north?

Re: Engineer demos how SpaceX is building fracked well gas plant

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EPA doesn't have a dog in this fight - the feds don't have much of a role at all, unless it is on federal lands of a particular class that would trigger special protections (ie National Park). Piping gas across state lines can involve the feds, or if they impign on a wetland or waterway. There's no interstate commerce to trigger any substantial federal involvement that I can see. Texas was an inspired choice - Ca…

> Texas was an inspired choice - California would have been a knife fight regulatorily. California is also just on the wrong coast. You almost always want to launch eastward so you get the free rotational velocity from the earth to help you reach orbit, for the same reason you want to be as close to the equator as possible, and you can't (regulatory/safety wise) have a flight path over land. From within mainland US t…

Not being able to fly over land seems ridiculous. Planes fly over land, right?

Sounds like the same shit as nuclear power plant regulations. As a civilization or even a species, we'll "safety" our way into extinction.

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