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Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

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Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> middling infrastructure Compared to what?

There were literally rolling blackouts in CA last summer and the state came dangerously close again this summer. Edit: Not sure why everyone is assuming I'm saying Texas is somehow better. I'm well aware of the power grid problems there as well. The question was "in comparison to what" and setting aside CA and TX, at last count there are 48 whole other states in the nation.

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Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#122
Whenever I read news like this I can never figure out what moving a company's headquarters actually means. Musk has already been living in Texas for a while. Tesla already has sizable operations there (both offices and factories). The company is registered in Delaware, so legally this change means nothing. They aren't going to fire employees in California or force them to move (in fact Musk said that they will continue to expand their Bay Area staff). They will continue to pay (or not pay) taxes exactly the same as before. So, besides a press release what is the change exactly?

It's also funny that Tesla still can't sell their cars directly to customers in Texas.

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

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post #34

California's tax regime is really backward. I suspect Tesla's departure is just the tip of the iceberg and that the repeal of the SALT deduction in 2017 really hastened this trend. High earners pay an effective tax rate of > 50%. They are partially picking up the slack from Prop 13, which artificially distorts the housing market by allowing longtime homeowners to pay property taxes based on decades-old assessed value…

The public schools aren’t pitiful at all. California has great schools.

Yeah, and median house price next to the great schools is 2mil. Or it is fairly far from big tech hubs.

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#125
100% predictable. They'll eventually move factories there as well, at least the ones where there are a lot of employees. CA is downright abusive to businesses. Only the highest margin Silicon Valley style businesses (which Tesla isn't) can survive in such a hostile regime, and only out of necessity - because that's where talent happens to live. As talent distributes more and more and companies move out, CA will run out of other people's money. Happens every time. That's why they're planning a wealth tax which you'll continue to pay for 10 years after you move out.

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#126
post #34

California's tax regime is really backward. I suspect Tesla's departure is just the tip of the iceberg and that the repeal of the SALT deduction in 2017 really hastened this trend. High earners pay an effective tax rate of > 50%. They are partially picking up the slack from Prop 13, which artificially distorts the housing market by allowing longtime homeowners to pay property taxes based on decades-old assessed value…

The exodus has been soundly proven to be a myth. [1] But assuming it isn't, there aren't many better places to go. Texas is a joke. Traffic is worse than LA in the major cities and it is run by Christian zealots. Yeah maybe you pay fewer taxes but the other quality-of-life tradeoffs aren't worth it.

[1] https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/California-exodus-is-ju...

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#127
post #34

California's tax regime is really backward. I suspect Tesla's departure is just the tip of the iceberg and that the repeal of the SALT deduction in 2017 really hastened this trend. High earners pay an effective tax rate of > 50%. They are partially picking up the slack from Prop 13, which artificially distorts the housing market by allowing longtime homeowners to pay property taxes based on decades-old assessed value…

> The exodus will only pick up steam unless policymakers get their act together. I used to live in California. There is no better state than California. If house price falls, I would buy another house in California.

I work in tech, despite California being the center of that industry, I've resisted relocating to there every time. I don't much care for it. Tastes vary. If the housing market wasn't so fucked it might be a different story.

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#128
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> middling infrastructure Compared to what?

There were literally rolling blackouts in CA last summer and the state came dangerously close again this summer. Edit: Not sure why everyone is assuming I'm saying Texas is somehow better. I'm well aware of the power grid problems there as well. The question was "in comparison to what" and setting aside CA and TX, at last count there are 48 whole other states in the nation.

Texas lost its energy during freezing winter, let’s not forget, and came very close to it being the case for months.

Re: Tesla’s headquarters will move to Austin

#129
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> middling infrastructure Compared to what?

There were literally rolling blackouts in CA last summer and the state came dangerously close again this summer. Edit: Not sure why everyone is assuming I'm saying Texas is somehow better. I'm well aware of the power grid problems there as well. The question was "in comparison to what" and setting aside CA and TX, at last count there are 48 whole other states in the nation.

Texas also has rolling blackouts (and less grid resiliency) and have people already forgotten the catastrophe last winter?
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