It's good that Norway may hit 100% electric EV. But with ~20% of their economy based on oil and gas production, it's hard not to think of it being funded largely by exporting pollution elsewhere.
Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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How is Norway handling the increased use of the electric grid? I ask because Elon noted the US power grid needed to double output to handle a full is transition
Last I heard, they actually have so much excess power that they're selling it to the UK.
Norway exports excess power most of the year. 71% over the last three years according to this page:
https://www.statnett.no/for-aktorer-i-kraftbransjen/tall-og-...
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Meanwhile in Australia: electric cars are getting taxed more to support the aging oil infrastructure
Similar in California and other states. The states typically tax gasoline and since electrics don't use any they are implementing special fees on electric vehicle purchases to make up for lost revenue. One would think that the savings in pollution (not only for the car itself, but the transport of the fuel, pollution from refineries, etc.) would offset any lost revenue from gas taxes. What makes this really nonsensic…
Wow really?
I have a Tesla in CA and am only familiar with the electric vehicle credit (not sure what it is, I haven't looked into it) and the "you get to use carpool lanes" rule for EVs.
Otherwise, I'm not familiar with extra taxes :(
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#124There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…
The petroleum industry should have sent that race driver with the wrench to fix his little electric wagon.
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Please donate to your local food bank. Many people are hungry. You can help. Perhaps this one is local to you: https://www.accfb.org/
Great idea thanks for the suggestion, however, I'll keep people employed instead so they don't need the food bank. “I believe the best social program is a job.” — Ronald Reagan
Jobs are a cost.
Jobs are necessary to maintain our society and civilization, but they are not a positive good in and of themselves.
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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That's mostly because of the lack of midmarket cars. I bought a used sub-$20k electrical car a few months ago; it can be done. The market needs pressure to create cars in that price range; right now EVs are mostly luxury cars. Tesla is not the car we should be aiming for; what we need are things in the class of the E-Golf, Kia Niro, FFE, Fiat 500E etc. that are the size of a Corolla and cost 20k CAD or less. Until th…
You also need to make it realistic for people to own EVs without also owning a single-family home. My wife and I probably would have bought a PHEV, but we lived in an apartment so ... we went Hybrid instead. As it is the EV subsidies are really just helping homeowners buy luxury cars which seems a little backwards
This is a great point. I would have loved to buy an EV (or trade in my current gas vehicle which I don’t use all that much for an EV), but the logistical annoyances of charging it in a busy city appear to be substantial.
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#127Isn't that a strange thing, considering Norway is vast, has low population density especially in the north, and has own oil resources available?
Norway is wealthy thanks to selling fossil fuels. Norwegians feel guilty about that, but not guilty enough to stop selling them. This is essentially performative environmentalism from them. Still, it will help other countries by throwing up unforeseen problems in all-electric ground transportation, and some solutions.
Norway has been relatively wealthy for quite some time. Before oil it was from fishing and shipping, amongst others.
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
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That's mostly because of the lack of midmarket cars. I bought a used sub-$20k electrical car a few months ago; it can be done. The market needs pressure to create cars in that price range; right now EVs are mostly luxury cars. Tesla is not the car we should be aiming for; what we need are things in the class of the E-Golf, Kia Niro, FFE, Fiat 500E etc. that are the size of a Corolla and cost 20k CAD or less. Until th…
Yeah, used EVs depreciate quickly. I'm comparing new Tesla Plaids to the C8 Corvette and due to depreciation its looking like the C8 will be much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. The C8 will drop 30k in 5 years according to C6/C7 data, whereas a Plaid will likely drop 70k. If I spend less than $800 a month on fuel the C8 is cheaper. Currently C8s are appreciating their first year, which is really weird. The Model…
> Currently C8s are appreciating their first year, which is really weird.
Why is that weird? That seems typical for new, extremely popular cars where supply isn’t meeting demand. It happened years ago with the PT Cruiser, and when Mini (re-)entered the US market. It’s happened with Teslas too. Right now it’s happening with the C8 Corvette and Ford Bronco, which are both really tough to find on dealer lots. In 5 or 10 years, they’ll have depreciated like more typical used cars. The tough part is guessing when supply will become sufficient (and values will drop).
Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please donate to your local food bank. Many people are hungry. You can help. Perhaps this one is local to you: https://www.accfb.org/
Great idea thanks for the suggestion, however, I'll keep people employed instead so they don't need the food bank. “I believe the best social program is a job.” — Ronald Reagan
Young tech employees with valuable transferable skills vs. typical food bank user (not meant as a slight!) are different populations most likely.
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The UK's recent fuel shortages have apparently spurred on EV sales so this seems likely.
This makes me wonder if the Colonial Pipeline cyberattack indirectly led to an acceleration of EV adoption. All of these events make more and more people recognize the relative weakness and fragility of an oil based civilization compared to an electric one.
You can have equivalent cyberattacks on power stations and EV charging networks.