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Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by cvwright »

ineedasername wrote: post #47
mikeytown2 wrote: post #22

https://joinmastodon.org/ Might as well see what FB is scared about

If I used social networks, I might give it a try. (I did actually check it out though) But all social media networks seem anti-productive to me and, well, just not actually very social. With respect to connecting with family & friends, I'd much prefer a pure platform based pretty much on just that. With respect to other people with interesting things to say, I'd prefer blogs aggregating & curated sites like, well, HN…

You’re right that it’s infeasible to block everything dumb from an online system. Humans gonna human.

> avoid surfacing them algorithmically and rewarding them

This is the key. And I’ve come to believe that the only way to prevent the platforms doing their algorithmic engagement maximization thing is to encrypt everything E2E.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by tayo42 »

Probably just a bug, I work in different social media, but see these kinds of posts pop up about it when something happens by accident. The comment threads are filled with people throwing out unfounded accusations, "obvious" conspiracy theories. The mob is riled up.

One of the most amusing things about actually working in one of these companies is just seeing how confidently wrong some internet commenters are about what is actually happening when an article or outage happens.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by mhh__ »

Lio wrote: post #105
spoonjim wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon is a “competitor” to Facebook the way a grandma doing middle school tutoring in her backyard is a competitor to Harvard.

If that were so, why censor mentions of it?

Same reason the above comment mentions. It's a wild west, and while that brings freedom it also brings cowboys (i.e. people using it to post dangerous links or whatever - is the reasoning).

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by tayo42 »

Lio wrote: post #105
spoonjim wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mastodon is a “competitor” to Facebook the way a grandma doing middle school tutoring in her backyard is a competitor to Harvard.

If that were so, why censor mentions of it?

you dont know that theyre censoring mentions of it. You have one post that got removed that happened to have it in it. And an article trying to be a victim and jump on the facebook is evil bandwagon. Do you have proof of a trend?

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by srcreigh »

edoceo wrote: post #48
srcreigh wrote: post #5

Try linking to pushbullet.com in FB messenger

I don't have either, could you just tell us what happens?

It doesn't send the message. "Could not send the message. Tap for details."

When you tap, then tap Learn More, it just sends you to to this page

https://m.facebook.com/help/messenger-app/1723537124537415

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by IronWolve »

Facebook has a blacklist on competitors, facebook wants to control the narrative, there is a reason your feed isnt by timeline, its artificially controlled.

Same thing happens on youtube, twitter, etc.

I've been using addons and rss feeds to go back to time/date ordered feeds, so I don't miss things I want to follow.

You can use RSS feeds to go around soft censorship, using apps like IFTTT, etc. Pockettube addon for youtube. etc.

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

throwawaysea wrote: post #111
mikeytown2 wrote: post #22

https://joinmastodon.org/ Might as well see what FB is scared about

The big problem I have with Mastodon is that it has a culture of censorship equivalent to Facebook. My recollection is that to be listed in their directory of instances, you need to abide by the content rules created by key Mastodon people, and those instances in turn are required to only peer with other instances that follow the same rules. Those rules basically include moderation based on various progressive politi…

Mastodon follows the activitypub protocol. There are other backends that implement the same protocol, like Pleroma; the Fediverse (all the systems that use activitypub) is bigger than mastodon, and much bigger than mastodon.social and co.

There's a sort of blocking firewall around mastodon.social and sites broadly on the same 'side' as it, in that all these servers tend to share blocklists. One of the things they'll block a server for is being 'free-speech maximalists'.

But outside of the mastodon.social bubble, there are lots of free speech maximalist fediverse instances that don't block anyone, or block different people.

Pleroma instances tend to be more free-speech oriented (because the technical choice of using Mastodon or Pleroma as your backed became part of a signalling game). I think Pleroma's better software, anyway.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by shkkmo »

5faulker wrote: post #113
Imnimo wrote: post #8

I doubt anyone at Facebook is freaking out about Mastodon and setting out to censor all mention of it. It's probably just a keyword or link that tends to co-appear with other, actually rule-breaking content, and some automated system has learned to block it. Still, it does seem like the sort of thing that could get Facebook in trouble with a regulator if you squint at it.

It's probably an AI thing. When these things occur it's a good idea not to presumptively jumping to attributing to human interference until more evidence surface.

I would argue the opposite. We should not allow companies to use "AI" as an excuse to avoid responsibility. I think it is perfectly reasonable to hold Facebook directly responsible for this.

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

dredmorbius wrote: post #52
ipaddr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad data vs no data at all? I would think no data would put you out of a job while bad data would require more hires to filter the data.

No data clearly indicates that there is no data. A statement of "I don't know' clearly indicates a lack of knowledge. A statemnt of "I have no opinion" clearly indicates that the speaker has not formed an opinion. In each case, a spurious generated response: 1. Is generally accepted as prima facie evidence of what it purports. 2. Must be specifically analysed and assessed. 3. Is itself subject to repetition and/or am…

Data that's had data censored from it is bad data.

Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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Post by inkblotuniverse »

titzer wrote: post #99
Noumenon72 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Filter bubble is not a real problem: https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1261164727486615559?lan... https://twitter.com/degenrolf/status/1067780924014772224 Whereas censorship is lindy among things that have bad effects on society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect So give the most caution against the proven bad thing and not the one you're in a trendy moral panic about.

So Rolf Degen argues that filter bubbles aren't a problem, and if you think they are, then it's because you're a "political junkie" trapped in one. That's some pretty twisted logic mixed with a nice helping of poisoning the well. I guess political junkies would never do anything crazy like assault the capital building to prevent certification of an election result. Yep, nothing to see here. I'm going to adopt this st…

A couple of boomers went on an unguided tour, unarmed. I didn't know insurrectionists tended to leave their guns at home
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