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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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I'm glad that the Economist points out at the end that 'wokeness' has become a favorite of business, and the reason is pretty obvious, as a movement it's self-defeating because all identitarian politics eventually ends in infighting, with its subjective, choice and preference based worldview it's actually ill-equipped to move anything. It might exist in academia or PR departments or journalism or facebook pages and t…

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On a related point, what I'm uncertain about are the reasons for the increase in transgender kids in the west. I understand there's been a massive increase in cases for transmen in the UK and USA for example. Is this because we can identify these conditions much better now? Maybe. I don't have the background to say for sure. There is a real fear in society though that woke schools of thought are a harmful influence t…

It follows directly from more acceptance of being transgender in society. It is not pleasant to have to sit with gender dysphoria for years - and then when you eventually do treat it, to have to spend thousands undoing changes to your body. Much better to treat it before it becomes a problem.

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The East German stasi absolutely did turn a lot of normal non-spy people into snitches.

Turning someone into a snitch, basically a spy is one thing, making everyone a snitch is another.

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I recommend anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing to take a break for a few months in a country that doesn't indulge it, e.g. Russia.

Interesting you mention Russia. The leadership of Russia spends a lot of time thinking about how to denigrate LGBTQ+ folks. Racism is alive and thriving in Russia. They even recently went through the trouble of decriminalizing first time domestic violence. Could you elaborate on why you think a trip to Russia would be useful to [eta:American] progressives?

He did not say progressives, he said " anyone who spends a lot of time thinking about this type of thing", which I interpreted as the conservatives which can't stop talking about this.

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I still don't get the term latinx. Have they considered... Latin . As in, Latin America, for instance?

Also why is it limited just to latin, why not whitx, blackx, asix, arabx, jewx and so on? Why aren't they inclusive towards all other groups?

Re: How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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It definitely seems as though specifying your preferred gender pronouns is no longer optional. This is required "in solidarity". Being an otherwise progressive person, I don't feel great about this and how quickly it happened.

The only place I have really seen this take off is on US headquartered social media sites (I live in Australia) that have added pronouns as an optional field.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How did fundamentalism jumped to real life? It’s always been in real life. Funny enough, there are some cultural remnants of certain leftists from the 90s/00s where they were the ones railing against “political correctness” in attempt to shock the religious right of the time. The way I see it things have simply reversed as the religious right seemingly lost ground over the past years and progressives became more pr…

Not applicable. The 'wokeness' in US largely encompasses things like minorities not tolerating being denigrated, debased, harassed anymore. Not even talking about things like nudity in beaches, abortion and other bullsh*t in which US still stays back 150 years in the past in US.

No, it's more of a virtue signaling scheme and a "luxury belief" that brown and black people can't think for themselves, and white liberal upper middle class knows what's best for them. Such as, for example, abolishing the police in high crime lower income neighborhoods and other loony bin shit like that, which does absolutely nothing to help anyone they pretend to care for. These tend to be the same folks who would move out in an instant if black folks started moving into their neighborhood, and won't spare a dime to actually help any of them with anything. It's words, Twitter and Facebook, and little else best I can tell. Purely performative virtue signaling.

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See "concept creep" - https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-08154-001 Abstract: > Many of psychology's concepts have undergone semantic shifts in recent years. These conceptual changes follow a consistent trend. Concepts that refer to the negative aspects of human experience and behavior have expanded their meanings so that they now encompass a much broader range of phenomena than before. This expansion takes “horizont…

> I contend that the expansion primarily reflects an ever-increasing sensitivity to harm

Or maybe once you've weaponized a concept, it's tempting to use it as much as you can.

When being a nerd stopped being shameful and started being cool, all the cool kids started calling themselves nerds for liking Avengers and Harry Potter - why wouldn't you claim the social points that are just lying around?

And when you live in a society that rewards victimhood, when calling someone a bully gives you power over them - of course people will jump at any chance to call themselves a victim.

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This coupled with expectations of corporate "social responsibility" results in some pretty nightmarish possibilities. Politically motivated debanking has already been going on for a while, but that is really just the tip of the iceberg. Years ago my financial adviser tried to sell me on this new index that aggregated a bunch of progressive demands (race/sex quotas, etc). The scope of ambition is pretty astounding, because it is structured to be impossible to satiate. We've all gotten use to seeing some SV company announce the latest party they are shunning, but to distill that down to a financial instrument... it is hard to believe that anyone would advocate for such a thing unless they were an accelerationist actively rooting for social collapse.

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Many Millennials now have very high-paying and influential jobs but still hold the very anti-capitalist and anti-billionaire views they had during the height of the Occupy Wall Street movement.

It will be interesting how corporations will react to a new generation of Millennial managers and leaders who seek to undermine capitalism.

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