“Disrupting data” sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.
Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Take the red pill?
What does this mean, and how does one take it? Googling it comes up with misogny and a documentary of the same name.
From 'The Matrix':
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#123In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.
That means the government and media successfully manufactured consent with the population.
A majority of the US supported the War on Terror. That was manufactured consent with thanks to the corporate press. It was only the outliers that protested from the beginning, only proven correct after 20 years, thousands of lives and trillions of dollars wasted in Afghanistan.
Now that this has ended, be on alert for the next campaign of fear that will be used to erode freedom and increase the surveillance state. Australia is a look at the near future of western "democracy" if they are successful.
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#124It's a good thing everyone surrendered their firearms to this same government. Once they know you can't resist anything they can do anything to you. I'm guessing NZ is next now that they've confiscated nearly every firearm they could.
NZ also used the FF Tarrant attack on the mosques to take everyone's guns.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the police have a warrant to watch you, then, no. But that is as it should be. As long as there is correct judicial oversight of these capabilities, then this is the correct way for things to be. Nobody should have an expectation of being able to conduct criminal business without surveillance. The issue comes in when the justice system is not providing correct oversight for this capability. That is wrong and shoul…
Would this philosophy extend to phones then, too? Assuming a phone is being used for criminal business. A Ring camera, assuming the house is being used for criminal conduct? I’m playing devil’s advocate, and am interested in a stance arrived at reasonably.
Yes, it would. Wouldn't detectives watching through your windows as you type on your phone be functionally the same as having your phone surveilled?
Warranted, targeted surveillance is less bad than surveilling everyone to see if they are committing crimes, which less bad than recording what everyone did so they can be charged with crimes retroactively, which is less bad than charging people for crimes they're only predicted to commit.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no defense against a legal power that does not limit itself. States almost-by-definition have total power should they wish to exercise it. Western states generally have limited their exercise of power, and they have structured themselves to make it difficult for one government to obtain and exercise total power. That is now changing.
Indeed. To say it another way, state power is total by default. Every individual right is carved out of that default total power.
The 9th and 10th amendments to the US constitution limits the US government only to the powers explicitly enumerated in article 1 section 8.
But in the real world, unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. Even the idea that there are only a short list of things that a government can do is a foreign concept to most folks.
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#127There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.
Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…
Pre-covid, there was almost nowhere to go to the bathroom in downtown SF either.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…
The 5km thing is real while the lockdown is in effect. Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home. Whether or not the ~20 000 lives saved from these lockdowns comes down to opinion in the end.
> Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home.
I wish this meme would die. People in the US got paid decent money too.
The federal gov spent $3 trillion more on transfer payments in Q1 2021 than it did in Q4 2019. This is more than a doubling. That's nearly $17,000 for every human in the US.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've always found talking about firearms in response to a legislative body acting to be reactionary and shortsighted, but also a little humorous, in a sad kind of way. I wonder if you realize you're intimating, even obliquely, that you'd be willing to kill cops, soldiers, and democratically elected officials for performing their duties because you individually don't agree with their decisions. In other words, you're…
It’s not about shooting them but rather deterring them from totalitarian government. That our ruling bodies understand there are lines and boundaries.
And yet American gun owners also tend to be the Americans who most believe their government is already totalitarian. Maybe they think waving their guns around just stops things from getting worse?
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#130In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.
This is why I've always had doubts about direct democracy. Most people are idiots who scare easily and whose views should not be considered.
I’ve always wondered how hard it would be to start your own country, people start new companies all the time to solve problems, I think it’s time we start a new country for the first time in how many years? Maybe a government that actually does respect privacy and doesn’t just throw it out the window because of “terrorism” or whatever the thing of the moment might be. Also would be nice to live somewhere that doesn’t have atrocious wars on its historical record or hundreds of years of exploitation of other peoples.