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Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root of the problem is that the EU funding system is just a bad way of going about funding innovation. The US private VC model is superior in every way.

How is it superior? I linked to a description of YC's top companies: they lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year . Aren't successful companies supposed to, you know, earn money and turn a profit? Or is superiority is strictly in the amount of money thrown at unbelievably unprofitable companies?

To be fair, US model produces both. The same regulatory and cultural burden that makes EU an infertile ground for money-burning billion-dollar scams also makes it harder for decent companies to create useful innovations[0] in general.

I feel we could use a little more easy capital in double-digit million € range, but retain or even improve the friction above low triple-digit million €. Basically: experimentation is good. Unchecked growth from zero to multinational behemoth is not always so good.

There are two hard problems though:

1. At the lower end, it's very hard to distinguish a legit experimentation from a scam. We already have too many fly-by-night small businesses preying on the population. I'm not sure how to fuel more legit startups without making the latter problem worse - as we can tell from the EU grants, adding more strings tends to kill good businesses faster than bad ones.

2. At the upper end, big corporations are geopolitical weapons. Nations and blocs like EU are always in conflict with others; currently, it's mostly economical warfare. This means that any country or bloc tends to be happy if they can spawn a billion-dollar company.

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[0] - Where by "useful innovation" I mean one that's ultimately yielding a net positive value for the society, and is not purely a business model innovation like it's common with so many hot tech companies these days.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#122
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root of the problem is that the EU funding system is just a bad way of going about funding innovation. The US private VC model is superior in every way.

How is it superior? I linked to a description of YC's top companies: they lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year . Aren't successful companies supposed to, you know, earn money and turn a profit? Or is superiority is strictly in the amount of money thrown at unbelievably unprofitable companies?

Quoting the end of you post.

> The vast majority is fuelled by litrerally endless investor money with only two modes of operation: corner the market (that is, outlive other competitors who don't have such an unlimited amount of money) or get sold.

Yes that is the business model and business is good. As opposed to EU which is a wasteland where nothing grows. Lots of businesses are built to be sold to larger businesses. It makes sense and there is nothing wrong with this model. As for investing in money losing enterprises, so what? If investors are willing to do it let them.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

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post #17

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I wouldn't be surprised. Daniel Dines started UiPath in Romania but for it to become truly global, he had to move to NY and even incorporate the company there.

I don't want to insult Romania (and I actually am looking forward to an opportunity to visit it, there apparently are many spectacular places, nice people and delicious cuisine), but AFAIK it's rather far from the best places in the EU from the economic/social points of view, no surprise many people prefer to emigrate on a good opportunity. I would be more curious if founders still move to the US from Spain, Germany,…

UIPath has a huge development office in Bucharest, most of the company is there.

Don't kid yourself, he went to NY for the money :-))

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#124
post #82

In my experience (Belgian guy that dabbled a bit with EU VCs for my SaaS) Europe is very risk-adverse, and you either have to give up ridiculous amounts of equity for a little amount (i.e. 50k€ for a 25% to +50% stake) when not established yet, or have a recurring revenue of at least 50k€/month to get reasonable propositions. Also, European culture is slightly different: most people consider a startup failure as some…

Europe’s lack of competitiveness in tech has been true pretty much since the birth of Silicon Valley.

It was the same with the PC business back in the 80s and 90s. Here’s an article from the New York Times in 1996, struggling to understand why European PC manufacturers were all failing to expand outside their home markets: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/07/business/why-european-com...

25 years later, the story is the same. Europe missed out on most of the big business opportunities of the internet, fell behind and lost the smartphone revolution, is largely missing from the top names in the app store, failed to create an internationally relevant social media company, etc. etc.

However, I wonder if this could be an inflection point. Covid has dragged everyone into the future kicking and screaming. Meanwhile Europe is looking grossly undervalued due to a lack of tech exposure. European stock markets have been essentially flat since 2009 while American stock markets have 3X’d (pre-2009, European returns basically tracked American ones). Tech salaries in Europe are now just 1/5th of what they are in Silicon Valley. It seems like the pendulum has swung a little too far in the American direction.

It took Europe 40+ years to become internationally competitive with Detroit in auto manufacturing during the 1900s. Maybe this is the natural cycle (of course, this time there’s no wars to use as an excuse).

If I were ever going to place a bet on Europe in the last 40 years, now would be the time.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#125
post #82

In my experience (Belgian guy that dabbled a bit with EU VCs for my SaaS) Europe is very risk-adverse, and you either have to give up ridiculous amounts of equity for a little amount (i.e. 50k€ for a 25% to +50% stake) when not established yet, or have a recurring revenue of at least 50k€/month to get reasonable propositions. Also, European culture is slightly different: most people consider a startup failure as some…

Europe’s lack of competitiveness in tech has been true pretty much since the birth of Silicon Valley. It was the same with the PC business back in the 80s and 90s. Here’s an article from the New York Times in 1996, struggling to understand why European PC manufacturers were all failing to expand outside their home markets: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/07/business/why-european-com... 25 years later, the story is th…

> European stock markets have been essentially flat since 2009 while American stock markets have 3X’d.

The DAX30 (German Index) tripled since 2009. The British and French indices did pretty much move sideways though.

The growth of the S&P 500 is pretty amazing though.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

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post #94
post #12

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> You wouldn't even be able to open a checking account, never mention any credit again. Is this just hearsay? It seems extreme, even for French levels of bureaucracy.

Not only is it not just hearsay: In some European countries it's even enshrined in law. For example in Austria, the leader of a company ("gewerberechtlicher Geschäftsführer"), including sole traderships, partnerships, and legal entities, cannot be a person who, within the past X years (can't remember what X is) has been in bankruptcy in any country in the world. The authorities check the relevant Austrian register be…

Norway even has a special term for someone who has failed in entrepeneurship multiple times -- "bankruptcy jockey".

You won't be banned from starting a business from a single bankruptcy, but if it happens multiple times and/or creditors end up losing significant money over it, you can be barred from starting a business for two years.

I don't think these rules often directly prohibit a promising entrepeneur from starting a business, but it's pretty obvious that the whole culture provides a strong chilling effect.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#127
post #82

In my experience (Belgian guy that dabbled a bit with EU VCs for my SaaS) Europe is very risk-adverse, and you either have to give up ridiculous amounts of equity for a little amount (i.e. 50k€ for a 25% to +50% stake) when not established yet, or have a recurring revenue of at least 50k€/month to get reasonable propositions. Also, European culture is slightly different: most people consider a startup failure as some…

You can't paint all of Europe with the same brush, and whilst most of Europe may be in the single market, they're not the "same" market. In my experience, there is a high variance amongst European countries (Eurozone or not) in risk-aversion vs risk-tolerance, which seems to be echoed in some studies/observations[1]. I've never really been able to see what the main factors that determine this may be -- I used to think it was correlated to how much each country participates in the global economy, but that would explain UK and Spain, but not Germany.

I also find it a bit narrow-minded to think of Europe as risk-averse simply by judging their attitudes towards tech investments. Spain (where I'm from) definitely appears to be one of the most risk-tolerant EU countries when you look at certain sectors and our foreign investments in infrastructure and other types of construction, but one of the most risk-averse when it comes to tech. If I were to speculate (and I stress, speculate), it seems to be influenced by the type of markets with capital that we have access to: the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America. This is also the case when you think of partially publicly funded projects that are quite risky -- especially in countries that are politically unstable like ours. A perfect example would be renewable energies, which would have been the great success story in Spain until new legislation practically killed any hopes of it being eventually profitable.

Germany, on the other hand, seems risk-averse _even_ within their own main domains (industrial engineering, automotive, etc). They also have a big global presence and prestige/reputation, but I have never lived or worked in Germany so I wouldn't even dare speculate why this is the case. I've often seen the finger pointed at bureaucracy, but other countries with similar levels of bureaucracy and hurdles don't seem to be as risk-averse. Different cultures, I reckon.

The UK (where I now live) on the other hand was one of the most risk-tolerant countries in the EU (until their departure) when you think of tech investments. The fact that they speak in English and have a strong services economy helps in that respect, I would guess. I'm definitely not an expert.

1. https://voxeu.org/article/cross-country-differences-risk-att...

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

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post #116

I am an American founder that accidentally built a company in Europe. I hired my first person there, and through the path of least resistance, most of our 45 person team is based in Europe. I believe I am playing 'business' on easy mode compared to European founders. As an American founder it's pretty easy for my US company to pay my European team as contractors. European founders have to comply with European employm…

While this is somewhat true, most of the European founders I know work around this by hiring freelance senior contractors and employing heavily subsidized juniors.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#129
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it superior? I linked to a description of YC's top companies: they lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year . Aren't successful companies supposed to, you know, earn money and turn a profit? Or is superiority is strictly in the amount of money thrown at unbelievably unprofitable companies?

Quoting the end of you post. > The vast majority is fuelled by litrerally endless investor money with only two modes of operation: corner the market (that is, outlive other competitors who don't have such an unlimited amount of money) or get sold. Yes that is the business model and business is good. As opposed to EU which is a wasteland where nothing grows. Lots of businesses are built to be sold to larger businesses…

> Yes that is the business model and business is good.

Not necessarily. A "wasteland where nothing grows" is obviously bad, but... there's a reason we don't let nature to optimize crops for growth, nor do we do it ourselves. We grow crops for food. We literally care about the fruits of their labor. And so is with businesses - the social value of a business is in the prosperity it creates for the people.

The SV growth model, at the extreme, is overfitting the "growth -> acquisition" path - often creating negative value for the society, by disrupting an existing market with an offering that's too good to be true, subsidized by infinite investor money, and then leaving a gaping void after burning out or getting acquired. This would be like a crop plant that first releases poison into the soil, killing competing crop species, then sucks out all nutrients and dies without producing edible fruit. It's not something you'd like to grow on your field either.

Re: Y Combinator’s European founder intake continues to grow

#130
post #116

I am an American founder that accidentally built a company in Europe. I hired my first person there, and through the path of least resistance, most of our 45 person team is based in Europe. I believe I am playing 'business' on easy mode compared to European founders. As an American founder it's pretty easy for my US company to pay my European team as contractors. European founders have to comply with European employm…

Which European country are you referring to?
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