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Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jcunningham »

jacquesm wrote: post #91

Everybody calm down please. EJ is real, she's a real person, it really did happen, just in case anybody was still wondering about that. I've passed her contact info to PG and him being the smart man that he is I'm pretty sure that he can come up with a solution that will satisfy everybody and will allow the victim to move on and get AirBNB past this crisis. Any words to the effect that AirBNB is 'setting precedent' a…

As far as damage to the apartment, pictures with some proof would help (and would indicate the extent of the damage), and if the truth is to come out about the interaction with AirBNB then someone would have to dump their email cache.

Visual proof has already been obtained by the police. Why does the victim have to provide photos to the general public?

For that matter, why does she have to "dump her email cache"?

Are we putting her on trial on HN?

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jcunningham »

loy22 wrote: post #117
jacquesm wrote: post #91

Everybody calm down please. EJ is real, she's a real person, it really did happen, just in case anybody was still wondering about that. I've passed her contact info to PG and him being the smart man that he is I'm pretty sure that he can come up with a solution that will satisfy everybody and will allow the victim to move on and get AirBNB past this crisis. Any words to the effect that AirBNB is 'setting precedent' a…

One question remains to be cleared: how did the guest got inside the apartment? What was the system used for the key transaction? I don't know how it usually goes, but I'd like this blind spot to be cleared. She published a number, an email address and a nickname on her blog, but no postal address. So the keys weren't shipped. She never called the number, and can't tell the gender of her perpetrator. Only the neighbo…

I don't think she needs to explain every technicality of what happened. The police will deal with those matters. She's not on trial in the court of public opinion.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by diolpah »

jacquesm wrote: post #97
kyro wrote: post #95

HN has been pretty disgusting the last few days: the level of schadenfreude here has hit ridiculous new highs. It seems that every time a story breaks about a successful company, a bunch of envious and disgruntled people come out of the woodwork and jump onto the bandwagon headed straight for the founders' heads. A community of seemingly intelligent and rational individuals turns into the most rabid, emotionally-char…

It's 'schadenfreude'. This issue is very emotionally charged because: - everybody that uses AirBNB thought 'this could be me' - everybody that has a sister thinks 'that could be my sister' - everybody that runs a start-up thinks 'this could be a shakedown' (including some preposterous claims about hotel chains putting her up to this) - everybody is wondering if AirBNB is sitting on a huge stack of cash why they didn'…

" everybody that has a sister thinks 'that could be my sister'"

Because ransacking the home of my brother is no big deal, according to modern gender politics, right?

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jcunningham »

dr_ wrote: post #120
jcunningham wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure whether she is more scared of the robbers or the consequences of her publicity because of this event and going up against a well-funded company in a potential legal battle.

Give me a break - this is not Exxon Mobil we're talking about.

From her perspective it might as well be if we're talking about a company with a $1 Billion valuation versus a woman who is sleeping at friends' apartments to keep herself off the street.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by djm »

jacquesm wrote: post #110
blackboxxx wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did PG ask for EJ's contact info and express interest in her well-being, or did you pass it on unrequested?

Unrequested, I passed it on because in another thread he wrote that he 'doesn't know her'. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2822877 I figured PG needs to hear both sides of this story and needs to be able to ask questions to get to the bottom of this. If he doesn't want to get involved at that level I understand, but then it probably would be better if he didn't comment on the matter at all, lest this somehow ends…

I figured PG needs to hear both sides of this story

Oh, wow. I don't think you could be more wrong. From her point of view, PG is a going to come accross as a concerned airbnb investor. She is already upset about brian chesky complaining that this incident will affect his ability to raise money for the company which she mentioned in the blog post. A phone call from PG could be like adding petrol to fire, even if he is genuine and wants to help.

What this lady needs is to have one point of interaction with a single person at Airbnb. That person needs the ability to make decisions about financial assistance etc, so preferably one of the founders.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by kyro »

diolpah wrote: post #123
jacquesm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 'schadenfreude'. This issue is very emotionally charged because: - everybody that uses AirBNB thought 'this could be me' - everybody that has a sister thinks 'that could be my sister' - everybody that runs a start-up thinks 'this could be a shakedown' (including some preposterous claims about hotel chains putting her up to this) - everybody is wondering if AirBNB is sitting on a huge stack of cash why they didn'…

" everybody that has a sister thinks 'that could be my sister'" Because ransacking the home of my brother is no big deal, according to modern gender politics, right?

Nah, probably because EJ is most likely female.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by ay »

jcunningham wrote: post #118
tghw wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people she would be scared of already know her identity. In fact, they may have stolen it from her.

I'm not sure whether she is more scared of the robbers or the consequences of her publicity because of this event and going up against a well-funded company in a potential legal battle.

> "I'm not sure whether she is more scared of the robbers or the consequences of her publicity because of this event and going up against a well-funded company in a potential legal battle."

The companies exist because they have customers. Therefore, your statement is self-contradictory.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jacquesm »

jcunningham wrote: post #121
jacquesm wrote: post #91

Everybody calm down please. EJ is real, she's a real person, it really did happen, just in case anybody was still wondering about that. I've passed her contact info to PG and him being the smart man that he is I'm pretty sure that he can come up with a solution that will satisfy everybody and will allow the victim to move on and get AirBNB past this crisis. Any words to the effect that AirBNB is 'setting precedent' a…

As far as damage to the apartment, pictures with some proof would help (and would indicate the extent of the damage), and if the truth is to come out about the interaction with AirBNB then someone would have to dump their email cache. Visual proof has already been obtained by the police. Why does the victim have to provide photos to the general public? For that matter, why does she have to "dump her email cache"? Are…

> Are we putting her on trial on HN?

Obviously not, maybe you should re-read that sentence in context.

Pictures of the extent of the damage would go a long way towards explaining why she feels the way she does in a way that words will never be able to.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jacquesm »

jcunningham wrote: post #122
loy22 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One question remains to be cleared: how did the guest got inside the apartment? What was the system used for the key transaction? I don't know how it usually goes, but I'd like this blind spot to be cleared. She published a number, an email address and a nickname on her blog, but no postal address. So the keys weren't shipped. She never called the number, and can't tell the gender of her perpetrator. Only the neighbo…

I don't think she needs to explain every technicality of what happened. The police will deal with those matters. She's not on trial in the court of public opinion.

Actually, she chose to make this public, and she chose to do so apparently because AirBNB refused to move on terms that are acceptable to her.

Nobody here is claiming that she is 'on trial', but when you go public with a story there will always be questions.

That is because people will align with your story and your interests if they consider you to be the party that is speaking the truth.

This is a fairly normal thing and has nothing to do with trials. You are seeing this much too black-and-white.

Re: How The Hell Is This My Fault?

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Post by jcunningham »

jacquesm wrote: post #128
jcunningham wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as damage to the apartment, pictures with some proof would help (and would indicate the extent of the damage), and if the truth is to come out about the interaction with AirBNB then someone would have to dump their email cache. Visual proof has already been obtained by the police. Why does the victim have to provide photos to the general public? For that matter, why does she have to "dump her email cache"? Are…

> Are we putting her on trial on HN? Obviously not, maybe you should re-read that sentence in context. Pictures of the extent of the damage would go a long way towards explaining why she feels the way she does in a way that words will never be able to.

Actually I think her words have done an excellent job of explaining why she feels the way she does and I don't want anyone else invading her privacy any more than it already has been violated.

For that matter, I think you've got some nerve tracking her down, handing her contact details over to an Airbnb investor and claiming to be helping her to find an objective independent mediator.

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