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Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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> Generally cash real estate transactions aren't subject to most KYC / AML rules. That's not entirely true. The bank wants to know enough information to make sure that the cash came from the buyer, and not from someone else other than the buyer, for AML reasons as well as creditworthiness. So they do seek proof of the provenance of the cash sufficient to demonstrate that it actually came from the buyer. (Source: deta…

Proof of source of cash funds in a real estate transaction is required because if the house is bought with illegal drug proceeds, the collateral can be seized by the Feds, leaving the note investors holding the bag. The policy originated in the 80s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/realestate/1989/05/06... (family member is a mortgage underwriter)

That only applies if the buyer applies for a mortgage. The question was about cash transactions.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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Why do you care if this company wants to take on the hassle of converting the bitcoin to $ for the customer? It's an additional source of revenue for them.

Because it's a valid answer as to why would a business not choose to do this?

> Because it's a valid answer as to why would a business not choose to do this?

Exactly.

>> It's an additional source of revenue for them.

Not all revenue is good though. If I spend $1,000,000 to get $5,000 in extra revenue, it would be a pretty bad business decision. A lot of crypto is hype, and I'm not sure there's much actual real revenue in supporting it for anything besides speculation.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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post #121

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Proof of source of cash funds in a real estate transaction is required because if the house is bought with illegal drug proceeds, the collateral can be seized by the Feds, leaving the note investors holding the bag. The policy originated in the 80s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/realestate/1989/05/06... (family member is a mortgage underwriter)

That only applies if the buyer applies for a mortgage. The question was about cash transactions.

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Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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SPACs have been around for a while and plenty of reputable companies have gone that route

Why so defensive? People have a right to be skeptical about SPACs. They've only been "mainstream" for the past couple years and are quickly losing steam as a vehicle for public exposure[1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-08/spac-p...

Why so offensive?

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#125

It’s all bullshit marketing until someone is accepting payments for goods priced in crypto.

How is that marketing? When I'm in Mexico things are priced in pesos, but I pay with dollars and crypto.

You are paying in pesos, but someone is happily taking a fee to do the exchange and settle the payment with you in a different currency.

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

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> The use of crypto in real estate purchases has a history dating back seven years, with BitPay helping facilitate the sale of a Lake Tahoe property that sold for $1.6 million in BTC in 2014. In case anyone's wondering, it was 2,739 BTC, which would be worth around $127M today. See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lake-tahoe-property-sells-for-1...

https://archive.is/tWVhm

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SPACs have been around for a while and plenty of reputable companies have gone that route

Why so defensive? People have a right to be skeptical about SPACs. They've only been "mainstream" for the past couple years and are quickly losing steam as a vehicle for public exposure[1]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-08/spac-p...

https://archive.is/u2zG5

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#128

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> Generally cash real estate transactions aren't subject to most KYC / AML rules. That's not entirely true. The bank wants to know enough information to make sure that the cash came from the buyer, and not from someone else other than the buyer, for AML reasons as well as creditworthiness. So they do seek proof of the provenance of the cash sufficient to demonstrate that it actually came from the buyer. (Source: deta…

Proof of source of cash funds in a real estate transaction is required because if the house is bought with illegal drug proceeds, the collateral can be seized by the Feds, leaving the note investors holding the bag. The policy originated in the 80s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/realestate/1989/05/06... (family member is a mortgage underwriter)

https://archive.is/30d06

Re: Second largest US mortgage lender will accept crypto payments this year

#129

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If you have to do all this fancy footwork to make volatility not matter doesn't that prove that volatility does matter. If you price asset X in crypto in the market and then buy options on USD to ensure that your sale price will be redeemable for a certain amount in USD in the future if it sells then aren't you really just pricing in USD? And then suffering a loss on your USD options if the asset doesn't end up selli…

No, it changes the argument to "Bitcoin is inconvenient and requires a lot of maintenance. I have to track margin, not lose my wallet, not get scammed, etc. and if I forget to roll my futures and it collapses I lose 80% of my money" Which I would agree with, but the original "volatile instruments cannot be used for pricing" isn't true. > doesn't that prove that volatility does matter. It doesn't matter for making it…

> It does matter if you want it to be convenient.

A sincere thank you for this reply.

It matters in terms of if you shift the argument from "volatile instruments cannot be used for pricing" to "volatile instruments have prohibitive costs that make using them for pricing very impractical" too, right?

Your example that you could price in bitcoin and then structure your sale offer in a way that 90% of the proceeds translate to a particular USD amount and the remainder are at risk to Bitcoin volatility is interesting to me because I think of it in terms of a Real Estate transaction. I offer my house at a price that translates to $100k USD in bitcoin and, for simplicity's sake let's say someone instantly purchases it. Now the deal is done but there is a time for all the paperwork, land title transfer, bitcoin is held in escrow, etc.. so the instant the deal is signed I buy some kind of option that ensures that the 90% of the bitcoin amount will be 90K USD when the transaction is consummated. That has a cost, right? And then if the deal falls through that cost and more is lost, right?

So those costs lower the value of my asset, so it is more than convenience is my conclusion. You agree with this, right?

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