Why is every other post on hacker news about climate change
Because it's the most important problem to solve. Everything else won't matter if we don't solve this.
Why won’t anything else matter?
It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record
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#122Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.
Remember that global warming is not real. If it is real, then we don't know what is causing it. If we do know what is causing, it is not humans. If we do know it is humans causing it, then there is nothing we can do about it. If there is something we can do about it, it's not worth it, think of the jobs.
Think of the children.
Rock, paper, scissors, jobs, children. I beat you.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Why? Partly because it's a technical problem Once the deniers soften this is always their answer. The reality is nobody is prepared to sacrifice to the extent demanded, skeptics and alarmists alike.
Can you explain what the demanded sacrifice is?
For people in rich nations, the level of consumerism they have been accustomed to their whole lives, has to go. For most people this means no more driving, no more flying, no more eating fancy foods and buying fancy things. People have to live pretty much like hippies.
For people in the rest of the world, the promise of the modern industrial rich age (which is mostly a mirage anyway) has to go.
Pretty much nobody in the world is willing to accept this sacrifice (remember, covid only lasted like two years and public will was/is really strained by the end -- what's needed here is a permanent change), so since this is a hard requirement for any solution, there's no other except treating it like a technical challenge.
That's my view anyway
Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record
#124If you want to see a very realistic, depressing, and ever-so-slightly hopefully depiction of the possible near-future, read The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson.
That started out very powerfully, but the author tried to cram way too many disparate things in there. It lost a lot of steam halfway through; god knows why it turned into a love story. What was the point? All that stuff with crypto? The cryptic poem type things interspersed. It was a good effort and started off amazing; shame about the lack of focus.
Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record
#125Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.
Ten years prior to that the bad guys in "The naked gun" kidnapped and replaced a scientist to say it wasn't a problem.
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#126Ok global warming is happening we know it for a long time. But is there a place somewhere that explain how could the world works without emitting too much co2, or any gaz which are problematic. How do we replace cars ? trucks ? how many people on earth is possible ? Can we have plane ? Boat ? How do we produce clothes, how do we have electricity at night ... I'm not asking to have a plan for everything, because this…
As I see things the only solution is that humans need to stop reproducing so much. There are far too many people for the resources of the planet given current technology.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think part of the problem is that we started talking about global warming (“nice! More sunshine!!”) to climate change (“cool! We get too much snow here anyway!!”). Maybe instead of talking about climate change, which is a symptom and not the problem, we should talk about “destabilising the atmosphere”. I feel like people will find it harder to use nonsense arguments if they’re confronted with the problem rather tha…
Worth noting that it's always been called climate change, and global warming was a term preferred by deniers to sew confusion and deniability. > Yet the most interesting findings come from looking at data from the Heartland Institute. In fact, the thinktank used the two terms with roughly the same frequency until 2013, when we finally see a decoupling as the use of global warming dropped while the use of climate chan…
I much prefer "climate crisis." It's just more accurate for where we are.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the deniers I know have shifted from it doesn't exist to either its not man made and just a natural cycle or it may actually be a good thing because plants like CO2 and warmth...
Agreed. I see less overall denial and instead more softening of the denial. "The earth's climate has always changed!" and "Sure climate is changing, but can you even say what an ideal climate is?"
In Canada, the Financial Post just ran an editorial saying it was a net positive because it will result in fewer deaths from "cold waves" e.g. winter storms. Flooding and other severe weather events were, unsurprisingly, handwaved away. Feedback loops and tipping points were completely ignored.
I do not think it was intended as satire, but the idea that we should cook ourselves to death to prevent freezing to death has a very Swiftian vibe to me.
https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-ipcc-global-warmin...
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Did the plethora of scientists claiming that it was an issue not factor in at all?
The scientists seemed to have a single political leaning, which made me more skeptical. I saw it as religious apologetics for green ideology. The presence of any strong uniform ideology makes me extremely skeptical just like political interest does. I'd summarize as: I assume that strong ideological beliefs or political motives make people irrational, dishonest, and untrustworthy.
How did you even know that the political leaning of scientists in, say, Spain, Germany, or Japan were? How did you know that scientists worldwide had a "single political leaning", when they were in other countries with a different political makeup?
Re: It’s official: July was Earth’s hottest month on record
#130Who still believes global warming does not exist? I am currently listening to audiobook of Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six (1998). It has a paragraph on global warming and trying to convince POTUS it is real. And POTUS not wanting to act on it because it would be too large economic drag on US. This book is almost quarter of century old.
I'm surprised this straw-man still exists. If there are any people that "believe global warming does not exist", it's an edge minority. All skeptics are clear that they believe global warming is happening.
The far bigger issue in addressing the global warming matter is actually people who seem incapable of having a rational and logical discussion and debate about things, and instead simply demand imposed obedience and blind trust in people who repeatedly and constantly on many different topics keep proving themselves untrustworthy and even malicious in intent. It is in fact also why we will end up in global conflict over not just this topic, but all other topics that will also be on the line when the dam breaks.
It is unfortunate that people, which you may or may not belong to, are so ideologically and fervently obsessed that they aren't actually talking about "global warming" at all, and what underpins their base assumptions are not only a deep rooted compulsion to hate their own, but also are driven by a need to dominate and subjugate others. It is akin to a psychological state in a turned/toxic relationship, where a deep and irrational resentment based on real or even just perceived slights and insults boils over into ever increasing hostility and often even also blind need to dominate or "win" even if it means self-harm and spiteful self-destruction. It is essentially a manic episode on a societal and civilizational level that we are going through, not just regarding "global warming" but on many different topics like gays, trans, immigration, freedom vs authoritarianism, etc.
They are all issues that are like in a toxic and unhealthy relationship where resentments have built up so badly (regardless of origin or legitimacy) that, no, e.g., she blows up over tiny things as a proxy for whatever the far bigger issue is.